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From: Dmitry Potapov <dpotapov@gmail.com>
To: Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:24:58 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080716222458.GH2925@dpotapov.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32541b130807161229ob4c21cbsc6c86ee3e42c4101@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:29:39PM -0400, Avery Pennarun wrote:
> 
> I find it interesting how git usability discussions tend to go.  It
> usually starts out by someone saying, "Look, git really isn't that
> hard to learn, just do it like this..." and then someone says, "But
> actually, that's still really complicated.  Everyone thinks xxx other
> VCS is easier to learn.  Here's how they do it..." 

Everyone thinks so? Somehow, I don't, and there are people who think
that Git is easily to learn if you teach it properly.

> And then someone
> says, "Yeah, but xxx VCS sucks!" and that somehow makes it okay that
> git is empirically harder to learn than xxx VCS, as anyone can see by
> browsing the web.

Browsing the web is not an empirical study.  And if you say harder, you
should specify to whom. To those who already know xxx VCS, naturally
anything new or different than what you got used to will be difficult
at the beginning. Naturally, it is easier to learn something if there
are more books and articles about it, or just there are more people who
can answer on any your questions. But with everything else being equal,
do you really believe that SVN or CVS is easier to use than Git if we
speak about learning comparable functionality? What is your argument
for that? "svn update"? Well, it is a sure way to make mess in your
working directoy. So, your argument does not sound very convincing.

Dmitry

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-16 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-16 17:21 Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:50 ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:14   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:19     ` Jesper Eskilson
2008-07-16 18:27       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 17:53 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:12   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 18:35     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:13       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 21:53       ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-17 11:18         ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 15:52           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 16:05             ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 16:18               ` Subversion's do-everything-via-copying paradigm ( was RE: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:06                   ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 22:07                 ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-17 22:11                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 20:04               ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:12                 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:26                   ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 20:40                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:03                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 21:10                         ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:34                   ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 20:42                     ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 20:15               ` Kevin Ballard
2008-07-17 21:02                 ` David Kastrup
2008-07-17 22:32                   ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-07-18  7:41               ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 16:11             ` Subversion is actually not so simple (was RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful) Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 17:37               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-07-17 19:00           ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Daniel Barkalow
2008-07-16 18:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 18:51     ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 18:59       ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-16 19:22         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:29         ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 19:34           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 19:46             ` Avery Pennarun
2008-07-16 20:12               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:32                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 22:41                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 22:53                   ` Sean Kelley
2008-07-16 23:17                   ` Nigel Magnay
2008-07-17  3:21                   ` Stephen Sinclair
2008-07-18 17:02                 ` Ping Yin
2008-07-16 22:24           ` Dmitry Potapov [this message]
2008-07-16 22:28           ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:49             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17  0:25               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  2:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 14:21             ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-17 14:51               ` Petr Baudis
2008-07-17 15:57                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-16 21:16       ` david
2008-07-16 21:59       ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 20:23   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-07-16 20:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-07-16 20:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-16 23:05   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 23:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17  0:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  6:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 15:55   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-17 16:03     ` Karl Hasselström
2008-07-17 18:16     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 18:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-17 18:43         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18 14:35             ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-18  9:55           ` Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 20:18             ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-18 23:03               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  3:27               ` Addremove equivalent Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:28                 ` [PATCH 1/2] builtin-add.c: restructure the code for maintainability Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:29                 ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  3:32                   ` [PATCH 3/2] git-add -a: tests Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20  4:20                   ` [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files Tarmigan
2008-07-20  4:28                     ` Tarmigan
2008-07-20 10:56                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20 12:45                       ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 18:30                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 20:46                           ` Lars Noschinski
2008-07-20 23:59                           ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:06                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-21  0:17                               ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  0:22                                 ` Jeff King
2008-07-21  2:11                           ` Jay Soffian
2008-07-20 20:34                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-07-16 21:48 ` Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-16 23:19   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-16 22:09 ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-16 23:22   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-17  1:01     ` Stephan Beyer
2008-07-17  7:30 ` "Peter Valdemar Mørch (Lists)"
2008-07-17 12:38   ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-07-17 12:55   ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 13:35     ` Peter Valdemar Mørch
2008-07-17 14:26       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-17 16:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-07-18  8:19 ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jeff King
2008-07-18 10:14 ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Michael J Gruber
2008-07-18 18:26   ` Jon Loeliger
2008-07-18 18:52     ` Craig L. Ching
2008-07-18 19:50     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-19  1:19   ` Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful] Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-20  8:14     ` Suggestion: doc restructuring Junio C Hamano
2008-07-20 11:02       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21  6:41       ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-07-21 10:04         ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-07-21 16:22         ` Junio C Hamano

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