From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jakub Narebski Subject: Re: [RFC v2] Git User's Survey 2008 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:11:23 +0200 Message-ID: <200808211311.24600.jnareb@gmail.com> References: <200807230325.04184.jnareb@gmail.com> <200808200308.26308.jnareb@gmail.com> <20080820211852.GA27226@leksak.fem-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Stephan Beyer X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Aug 21 13:11:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KW84b-0001bJ-J9 for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:11:26 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756099AbYHULKV (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:10:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755841AbYHULKV (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:10:21 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173]:6236 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754869AbYHULKT (ORCPT ); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:10:19 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so1002657ugf.37 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=PKnk5/VBF0bvRxaZKCjbqIFWjsFNJ1EFE1cJRfRb/ZE=; b=w/LTize7eHM9p4cxeXLAlezik4RSXSOnpoGby0AoWBNipRkumyxxffAyF6L1VT84Ij 76pmTnj/pe4BWwdJsJK3EBxej9Bf4yGXg9msdnUD1MyEBVkP/fmYo4CwyusbuhntyIvS b3Rc1zQjx5gT7aPAnNCB8zQRexvShkO2O/OBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=v8gc5lr2R/8z7vS87w/lO+AsOd/wcAdyCoIfqs1fY8Xh2IB7BQ9qxDviHvHud936un 0PrsUIAby1TbrK2i8hqGoXp1QRUY5hcNCFWHNYNWUvZiK6zBZ7uCz2qfd4RSPDw3xk6V +em0fRzTlzFqo9D7t7bp6rrKOalT8vGHuY44c= Received: by 10.67.116.19 with SMTP id t19mr1258190ugm.56.1219317017137; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.11? ( [83.8.232.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1232721ugf.56.2008.08.21.04.10.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 In-Reply-To: <20080820211852.GA27226@leksak.fem-net> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Stephan Beyer wrote: > Jakub Narebski wrote: > > > By the way, should the survey be divided in pages, or simply use > > headers to divide survey into sections? > > Divided pages have a psychological impact, they don't look much and you > can say "Almost there!" on each page. > > But headers and one-page surveys have a big advantage for users that pay > for Internet access per time unit: they can go offline, answer the > questions, and go online again to submit the survey. > > So I've scrolled across your test survey on survs.com and I think it > should be kept on one page. Looks nice and manageable. I also prefer single page surveys; it would be better if this survey was shorter (by the way, how long did you took to complete test survey?), but there are so many interesting questions... > > Third, where to send survey to / where to publish information about the > > survey? > > This question leads me to a question that could be put into the survey: > > Where have you read about this survey? (optional) > [Free form] But where to add it? Additionally I'd rather limit free-form questions to absolute minimum. This is the question I was lacking, so I'll think about adding it to the survey. > So, some comments on the questions now: > > > About you > > > > xx. What country are you in? > > "What country do you live in?" perhaps? This is better phrasing. Changed. > > Getting started with GIT > > > > xx. How did you hear about Git? > > There is a typo on survs.com (hear_d_). > Should this by the way be multiple choice? > I have heard about Git several times before I tried it. Good idea, I think, and doesn't lead to more work when analysing. And it would perhaps make it easier to choose appropriate answer. Changed. > I will only quote from survs.com now: > > > told by friend (word of mouth) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ? :) I think this should be removed O.K. > > What other SCM did or do you use? > >[..] > > custom ( ) ( ) ( ) > > custom? I mean here custom, not published (or no longer existing) SCM; something that would be hard to write about. I agree that it is not the best phrasing. > > 20. Which porcelains / interfaces / implementations do you use? > > [ ] core-git > > Uh, this is ambiguous. Is this our git or some script on top of git? > In both cases, this should be clarified. There is "my own scripts" at the bottom; I mean here using no additional porcelain, no interface on top of git command line. But it is here for completeness only; however if you have some good explanation for "core-git" option I can put it below this question. > > 22. Which git web interface do you use for your projects/have installed? > > (Web interfaces used by git hosting sites do not count[*]) > [...] > > (*) Unless of cours you are hosting some git hosting site > ^^^^^^^^ ^ > typo, but I'd rather do s/of cours // and s/$/./ :-) Thanks. Done. > > 26. How often do you use the following forms of git commands > > or extra git tools? > > > > Never | Rare | Often > | Not yet, but sounds cool ;-) > > No no :-) > > But I wonder if we could split the "Never" case into several cases with > reasons like: > - Do not know. > - Not yet needed. > - Other (did not understand; tried but did not work; ...) > > But this will perhaps bloat the question even more, so we should keep > "Never", though I think the reasons could be interesting. > Could some "Comments" field for question 26 help? Now it is 'never/rarely/sometimes/often'. I think there are enough free form questions that one can put his/her own comments about git commands in this survey... > Some other comment: I dislike that there is *one* "Reset" button for > such matrix questions. But I guess you cannot change that? Yes, this is canned web survey site. I can only send feedback, but I guess so can you (unless this requires subscription/invite...). > > 28. Which of the following features do or did you use? > > I think many of the possible replies have been used in several other > questions before, e.g. in > - 21. (gitk, git gui), > - 24. (git bundle), > - 26/27. (git gui, gitk, git stash) > - ... > > But this question still seems to makes sense for: > [ ] eol conversion (crlf) > [ ] gitattributes > [ ] reflog (ref@{23}) > [ ] shallow clone > [ ] detaching HEAD <- I think several people could have used that without knowing > [ ] commit templates > [ ] integration with IDE/editor > [ ] non-default hooks > > And btw: > > [ ] working with dirty tree <- Eh? Is this a feature? This is distinguishing feature. What I mean here that you can use "git add" and "git commit" (not "git commit -a") and have some uncommitted changes, like for example change of version in Makefile. > Big thanks for your efforts, > Stephan You are welcome. -- Jakub Narebski Poland