Gittogether event? (was: GSoC 2008 final evaluations)

Gittogether event? (was: GSoC 2008 final evaluations)

[Christian Couder]

Le jeudi 21 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> > I see. In this case perhaps the money can be spend to fund travel
> > expenses for another event where many of us could meet instead of the
> > mentor summit? It could even be better as Junio and perhaps Linus could
> > be there too.
>
> Google has offered to help us organize a Gittogether in Portland
> if we desire.  Portland was suggested because rumor has it that
> Linus doesn't like to travel.

Great!

> I'm not sure how far "offered to help" goes yet.  I can pursure
> that further if we want to put something together.  Really it
> needs to be discussed on the git ML as we'd want as many folks
> from the community to come out if they could.

Right, so I add the list to CC.

Here are a few question to start the discussion:

What date would be best?
Who could come?
What needs to be done to organize it?
Who could help organize it?

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Junio C Hamano]

Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> writes:

> Le jeudi 21 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
>> Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
>> > I see. In this case perhaps the money can be spend to fund travel
>> > expenses for another event where many of us could meet instead of the
>> > mentor summit? It could even be better as Junio and perhaps Linus could
>> > be there too.
>>
>> Google has offered to help us organize a Gittogether in Portland
>> if we desire.  Portland was suggested because rumor has it that
>> Linus doesn't like to travel.
>
> Great!
> ...
> Here are a few question to start the discussion:
>
> What date would be best?
> Who could come?
> What needs to be done to organize it?
> Who could help organize it?

This reminds me...  I'll be offline from 24 or 25 of September for two
weeks or so, and need to ask somebody most likely Shawn to keep an eye on
the patchflow during that time.

If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> writes:
> > Le jeudi 21 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> >> Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Google has offered to help us organize a Gittogether in Portland
> >> if we desire.
> 
> > Here are a few question to start the discussion:
> >
> > What date would be best?
> > Who could come?
> > What needs to be done to organize it?
> > Who could help organize it?

This smells like a survey to me.  ;-)

We should put together something really short, and try to get folks
to answer it, not just from our developer list, but maybe also our
user communities.  Maybe something like:

	1: Are you interested in attending a Gittogether:
		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

		If you answered no, you can give up on the survey now.

	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

	3: What month/year would be best?
		Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.

	4: What would you hope to see/accomplish while there?
		[ ] Instructor-lead Git training
		[ ] 24 hour hack-a-new-feature contest
		[ ] ... ?
		Enter other ideas: [  <big text box thingy>    ]

	5: Would you volunteer to help organize it?
	
		Trick question.  Email blah@blah to indicate how you can help.
 
> This reminds me...  I'll be offline from 24 or 25 of September for two
> weeks or so, and need to ask somebody most likely Shawn to keep an eye on
> the patchflow during that time.

Enjoy your time away from the keyboard.  I'd be happy to keep a
patch queue for you to pick up from when you get back.

> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.

I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org> wrote:
> >        3: What month/year would be best?
> >                Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.
> 
> This sort of question usually works better if you rephrase it as a
> multi-select instead of a radio button:
> 
>      3: In which of the following months would you be able to attend?
> (check all that apply)
>                 Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.

Oy, yes, thanks, that is what I meant to write, but utterly failed
to convey.

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Petr Baudis]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:34:07AM -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
> 
> I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.

Also, if this event would indeed be in US, some of the developers would
need to arrange visa, which takes time too (though the time can vary,
reportedly - but 30 days should be enough).

I'm slightly discouraged by the idea of getting the visa, which is
reportedly exhausting process involving handing over huge amount of
personal information to US government etc.  But I might wind up having
to travel to US sooner or later anyway, so I guess it's not a
deal-breaker for me.

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The next generation of interesting software will be done
on the Macintosh, not the IBM PC.  -- Bill Gates

Re: Gittogether event?

[Petr Baudis]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:00:08PM +0200, Petr Baudis wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:34:07AM -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> > with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> > to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> > you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> 
> Also, if this event would indeed be in US, some of the developers would
> need to arrange visa, which takes time too (though the time can vary,
> reportedly - but 30 days should be enough).

(Then again, after a moment of thought, I'm not sure about the actual
scale of the event - if it's just a short thing for a day or two, a trip
from Europe probably does not make much sense. But if we could think up
enough for four days of fun, it would be probably worth it.)

Didn't Johannes mention that he will be in US in October?

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The next generation of interesting software will be done
on the Macintosh, not the IBM PC.  -- Bill Gates

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:00:08PM +0200, Petr Baudis wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:34:07AM -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > > I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> > > with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> > > to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> > > you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> > 
> > Also, if this event would indeed be in US, some of the developers would
> > need to arrange visa, which takes time too (though the time can vary,
> > reportedly - but 30 days should be enough).
> 
> (Then again, after a moment of thought, I'm not sure about the actual
> scale of the event - if it's just a short thing for a day or two, a trip
> from Europe probably does not make much sense. But if we could think up
> enough for four days of fun, it would be probably worth it.)

Very good point.  I myself am trying to justify flying to Eclipse
Summit Europe in November.  Its a long flight from the west coast
of the US.
 
> Didn't Johannes mention that he will be in US in October?

He sometimes makes trips to DC for some reason or another.  But maybe
October he was thinking of the GSoC mentor summit?  Its held here in
Mountain View, CA.  Not too far from Portland, relatively speaking.
But if he's here in October I'm not sure he'd want to be here again
in say November.  Not enough time between flights to stretch the
legs out again.  ;-)

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Andreas Ericsson]

Petr Baudis wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:34:07AM -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
>>> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
>> I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
>> with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
>> to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
>> you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> 
> Also, if this event would indeed be in US, some of the developers would
> need to arrange visa, which takes time too (though the time can vary,
> reportedly - but 30 days should be enough).
> 
> I'm slightly discouraged by the idea of getting the visa, which is
> reportedly exhausting process involving handing over huge amount of
> personal information to US government etc.  But I might wind up having
> to travel to US sooner or later anyway, so I guess it's not a
> deal-breaker for me.
> 

I'm not sure where you're from, but quite a few countries who are
members of the european union are also member of the visa waiver
program and don't need visas to visit the us unless they:
* have been suspected of a crime in the past 10 years (not only
  convicted, suspected is enough)
* are first-generation immigrants
* could in some really, really far-fetched way be suspected to be
  related to be connected to one of the several hundred thousand
  terrorist organizations around the world

Check with your american embassy. They're quite friendly, provided
you don't call them before american business hours have started. I
believe it's something of a conundrum in china and australia, but
perhaps the embassies there make special arrangements.

-- 
Andreas Ericsson                   andreas.ericsson@op5.se
OP5 AB                             www.op5.se
Tel: +46 8-230225                  Fax: +46 8-230231

Re: Gittogether event?

[Junio C Hamano]

"Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org> writes:

> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> ...
>> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
>
> I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.

Ah, I somehow got a wrong impression about this event from the initial
posting, and certainly didn't imagine you were planning a mini-conference
like one, but a much more informal and smaller "while some of us are in
the west coast during/near GSoC mentor thing, how about getting together
for fun" kind of settings.

It all makes sense now.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> > Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
> >
> > I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> > with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> > to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> > you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> 
> Ah, I somehow got a wrong impression about this event from the initial
> posting, and certainly didn't imagine you were planning a mini-conference
> like one, but a much more informal and smaller "while some of us are in
> the west coast during/near GSoC mentor thing, how about getting together
> for fun" kind of settings.

Well, we could do that too.  But I think we'd want to maybe do that
closer to Mountain View, where the actual summit is taking place,
to cut down on the amount of travelling that the out-of-town folks
have to do.

E.g. you could come up this year, and we'll have maybe 3 or 4 of
our mentors here for the summit.  We could even do a mini-one day
thing at the Google campus.  I could probably get Google to give us a
small conference room or tech talk room for half a day or something.

I don't really know what our community is interested in doing.
So I'm just tossing out ideas and seeing what sticks.  If we don't
do anything, that's fine too.

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event? (was: GSoC 2008 final evaluations)

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:36:15AM +0200, Christian Couder wrote:
> Le jeudi 21 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> > Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> > > I see. In this case perhaps the money can be spend to fund travel
> > > expenses for another event where many of us could meet instead of the
> > > mentor summit? It could even be better as Junio and perhaps Linus could
> > > be there too.
> >
> > Google has offered to help us organize a Gittogether in Portland
> > if we desire.  Portland was suggested because rumor has it that
> > Linus doesn't like to travel.
> 
> Great!
> 
> > I'm not sure how far "offered to help" goes yet.  I can pursure
> > that further if we want to put something together.  Really it
> > needs to be discussed on the git ML as we'd want as many folks
> > from the community to come out if they could.
> 
> Right, so I add the list to CC.
> 
> Here are a few question to start the discussion:
> 
> What date would be best?
> Who could come?
> What needs to be done to organize it?
> Who could help organize it?

It could be done as part of the Linux Plumbers Conference this September
in Portland where there will be at least one git talk:
	http://linuxplumbersconf.org/

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: Gittogether event? (was: GSoC 2008 final evaluations)

[Christian Couder]

Le samedi 23 août 2008, Greg KH a écrit :
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:36:15AM +0200, Christian Couder wrote:
> > Le jeudi 21 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> > > Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> > > > I see. In this case perhaps the money can be spend to fund travel
> > > > expenses for another event where many of us could meet instead of
> > > > the mentor summit? It could even be better as Junio and perhaps
> > > > Linus could be there too.
> > >
> > > Google has offered to help us organize a Gittogether in Portland
> > > if we desire.  Portland was suggested because rumor has it that
> > > Linus doesn't like to travel.
> >
> > Great!
> >
> > > I'm not sure how far "offered to help" goes yet.  I can pursure
> > > that further if we want to put something together.  Really it
> > > needs to be discussed on the git ML as we'd want as many folks
> > > from the community to come out if they could.
> >
> > Right, so I add the list to CC.
> >
> > Here are a few question to start the discussion:
> >
> > What date would be best?
> > Who could come?
> > What needs to be done to organize it?
> > Who could help organize it?
>
> It could be done as part of the Linux Plumbers Conference this September
> in Portland where there will be at least one git talk:
> 	http://linuxplumbersconf.org/

(You mean the Git Tutorial by Linus:
 
http://linuxplumbersconf.org/program/speakers/getspeaker.php?speaker=ltorvalds.txt)

So yes it could be part of the Plumbers Conference or just after it.

If it's part of the Conference, I wonder if people only interested by the 
GitTogether will have to pay the Conference registration fee (300$)?

In Portland, OR there will be:

- September 15(Mon)-16(Tue): Kernel Summit 2008 
(https://www.linuxfoundation.org/events/kernel)

- September 17(Wed)-19(Fry): Linux Plumbers Conference
(http://linuxplumbersconf.org/)

So the GitTogether could perhaps be just after that:

- September 20(Sat)-21(Sun): GitTogether

as some people might just want to come during a weekend and other might want 
to come for 5 days or even one full week (if they are invited to the Kernel 
Summit)?

The main problem is that it's a bit late for this year.

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[J.H.]

I know I haven't chimed in yet - As for the mentor summit itself I
wouldn't mind attending, but if there are others who would like to go I
won't begrudge them attending.  That also said I live in the Bay area,
and while I think I'll change apartments at some point, if people want
to crash at my place I've got an air mattress and futon people are more
than welcome to occupy.

- John


On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 07:26 +0200, Christian Couder wrote:
> Le samedi 23 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> > Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> > > > Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > >> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
> > > >
> > > > I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> > > > with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> > > > to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> > > > you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> > >
> > > Ah, I somehow got a wrong impression about this event from the initial
> > > posting, and certainly didn't imagine you were planning a
> > > mini-conference like one, but a much more informal and smaller "while
> > > some of us are in the west coast during/near GSoC mentor thing, how
> > > about getting together for fun" kind of settings.
> >
> > Well, we could do that too.  But I think we'd want to maybe do that
> > closer to Mountain View, where the actual summit is taking place,
> > to cut down on the amount of travelling that the out-of-town folks
> > have to do.
> >
> > E.g. you could come up this year, and we'll have maybe 3 or 4 of
> > our mentors here for the summit.  We could even do a mini-one day
> > thing at the Google campus.  I could probably get Google to give us a
> > small conference room or tech talk room for half a day or something.
> 
> I think it needs to be at least 2 days long for people coming from Europe or 
> farther, otherwise it might not be worth it for them to come. Or it needs 
> to happen during, after or before another interesting conference.
> 
> The Google Mentor Summit is in Mountain View:
> 
> - October 25(Sat)-26(Sun)
> (http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline)
> 
> Maybe we can have the GitTogether also in Montain View just after that: 
> 
> - October 27(Mon)-28(Tue)
> 
> so that the 3 mentors that come to the mentor summit just have to stay to 2 
> more days there.
> 
> > I don't really know what our community is interested in doing.
> > So I'm just tossing out ideas and seeing what sticks.  If we don't
> > do anything, that's fine too.
> 
> Or maybe we can just plan something for next year.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christian.
> 
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Re: Gittogether event?

[Christian Couder]

Le samedi 23 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org> writes:
> > > Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > >> If Git-together happens outside of that, I could join.
> > >
> > > I think it would be after that.  I doubt we could put it together
> > > with <30 days of notice.  Most people who would want to attend need
> > > to book travel arrangements.  While its possible with 30 days notice
> > > you can typically get better rates if you have more lead time.
> >
> > Ah, I somehow got a wrong impression about this event from the initial
> > posting, and certainly didn't imagine you were planning a
> > mini-conference like one, but a much more informal and smaller "while
> > some of us are in the west coast during/near GSoC mentor thing, how
> > about getting together for fun" kind of settings.
>
> Well, we could do that too.  But I think we'd want to maybe do that
> closer to Mountain View, where the actual summit is taking place,
> to cut down on the amount of travelling that the out-of-town folks
> have to do.
>
> E.g. you could come up this year, and we'll have maybe 3 or 4 of
> our mentors here for the summit.  We could even do a mini-one day
> thing at the Google campus.  I could probably get Google to give us a
> small conference room or tech talk room for half a day or something.

I think it needs to be at least 2 days long for people coming from Europe or 
farther, otherwise it might not be worth it for them to come. Or it needs 
to happen during, after or before another interesting conference.

The Google Mentor Summit is in Mountain View:

- October 25(Sat)-26(Sun)
(http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline)

Maybe we can have the GitTogether also in Montain View just after that: 

- October 27(Mon)-28(Tue)

so that the 3 mentors that come to the mentor summit just have to stay to 2 
more days there.

> I don't really know what our community is interested in doing.
> So I'm just tossing out ideas and seeing what sticks.  If we don't
> do anything, that's fine too.

Or maybe we can just plan something for next year.

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Junio C Hamano]

"Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org> writes:

> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> ...
>> This reminds me...  I'll be offline from 24 or 25 of September for two
>> weeks or so, and need to ask somebody most likely Shawn to keep an eye on
>> the patchflow during that time.
>
> Enjoy your time away from the keyboard.  I'd be happy to keep a
> patch queue for you to pick up from when you get back.

Thanks, and thanks again for handling the patchflow last year around the
same time.  I'll be away for a reason related to the last year's event,
but at least this year it is scheduled so I can plan ahead.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> I think it needs to be at least 2 days long for people coming from Europe or 
> farther, otherwise it might not be worth it for them to come. Or it needs 
> to happen during, after or before another interesting conference.
> 
> The Google Mentor Summit is in Mountain View:
> 
> - October 25(Sat)-26(Sun)
> (http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline)
> 
> Maybe we can have the GitTogether also in Montain View just after that: 
> 
> - October 27(Mon)-28(Tue)
> 
> so that the 3 mentors that come to the mentor summit just have to stay to 2 
> more days there.

Hmm.  Not only that, but a number of our users come out to the
Mentor Summit.  ~170 open souce projects send folks to that summit,
and a fair percentage of those are now in Git.  Many who travel
far for the summit already plan to stay a few days if they can.

-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Christian Couder]

Le vendredi 22 août 2008, Shawn O. Pearce a écrit :
>
> This smells like a survey to me.  ;-)

Yes, and here is my answer. (I had to discuss a little with my wife so took 
me some time to come up with it.)

> We should put together something really short, and try to get folks
> to answer it, not just from our developer list, but maybe also our
> user communities.  Maybe something like:
>
> 	1: Are you interested in attending a Gittogether:
> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

Yes, definitely.

> 		If you answered no, you can give up on the survey now.
>
> 	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

Yes or to San Fransisco. I will probably stay 3 or 4 days even if I don't 
attend any other conference/event. Any free accomodation would be greatly 
appreciated.

(Flight costs from Paris France are about 550 EUR (825 US$) for Portland 
Oregon around the 20th of September and 630-670 EUR (950-1000 US$) for San 
Fransisco around the 27th of October. Flights takes between 13 and 23 hours 
each as they are not direct.)

> 	3: What month/year would be best?
> 		Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.

Oct 08 is ok. After that I would prefer between May 09 and Oct 09.
Anyway not Nov 08 or Dec 08.

> 	4: What would you hope to see/accomplish while there?
> 		[ ] Instructor-lead Git training
> 		[ ] 24 hour hack-a-new-feature contest
> 		[ ] ... ?
> 		Enter other ideas: [  <big text box thingy>    ]

I'd like small sessions (half a day/night long) that go like this:

- 1 hour long presentation and discussion: someone talks about a topic and 
some problems about it, then we discuss what could be done about this topic
- a few hours long hacking: we try to implement solutions for problems 
related to the previous discussion.

But I guess anything will do.

> 	5: Would you volunteer to help organize it?

Yes. Though I am probably not in the best place to help. But I can start to 
gather some information on a web page on the wiki or something.

> 		Trick question.  Email blah@blah to indicate how you can help.

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> >
> > 	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
> > 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No
> 
> Yes or to San Fransisco. I will probably stay 3 or 4 days even if I don't 
> attend any other conference/event. Any free accomodation would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> (Flight costs from Paris France are about 550 EUR (825 US$) for Portland 
> Oregon around the 20th of September and 630-670 EUR (950-1000 US$) for San 
> Fransisco around the 27th of October. Flights takes between 13 and 23 hours 
> each as they are not direct.)

Yikes.  Anyway, if we have it in Moutain View after the GSoC mentor
summit I can probably offer up a couch and some floor space to a
couple of folks.  Hopefully by then I will have the huge stacks
of boxes put somewhere and there will actually be some space for
people in my flat.  As it stands there is very little space for
myself and my wife.
 
> > 	3: What month/year would be best?
> > 		Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.
> 
> Oct 08 is ok. After that I would prefer between May 09 and Oct 09.
> Anyway not Nov 08 or Dec 08.

That's what I'm starting to think.  We either hold it after the GSoC
mentor summit in Mountain View, or we defer until some time in 2009,
where we actually have time to put something together.
 
> > 	4: What would you hope to see/accomplish while there?
> 
> I'd like small sessions (half a day/night long) that go like this:
> 
> - 1 hour long presentation and discussion: someone talks about a topic and 
> some problems about it, then we discuss what could be done about this topic
> - a few hours long hacking: we try to implement solutions for problems 
> related to the previous discussion.

This is an interesting idea.  I like it.
 
-- 
Shawn.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:

> Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
>
> > - a few hours long hacking: we try to implement solutions for problems 
> >   related to the previous discussion.
> 
> This is an interesting idea.  I like it.

This is called a hackathon, and I had the pleasure of attending three of 
them.  It is an extremely productive time, although you have to prepare to 
fall into a black hole after them, when all the fun suddenly stops.

As for dates: I am pretty free.  However, I kind of hoped to pre-/append 
it to the GSoC summit, since I cannot afford to pay the flight, but I 
could afford to pay the difference to wherever else than Mountain View the 
Gitogether would take place.

All this, of course, provided that Google invites us, and that I am 
actually one of the few lucky mentors being allowed to come.

Ciao,
Dscho

Re: Gittogether event?

[Christian Couder]

Hi,

Le lundi 25 août 2008, Johannes Schindelin a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > Christian Couder <chriscool@tuxfamily.org> wrote:
> > > - a few hours long hacking: we try to implement solutions for
> > > problems related to the previous discussion.
> >
> > This is an interesting idea.  I like it.
>
> This is called a hackathon, and I had the pleasure of attending three of
> them.  It is an extremely productive time, although you have to prepare
> to fall into a black hole after them, when all the fun suddenly stops.
>
> As for dates: I am pretty free.  However, I kind of hoped to pre-/append
> it to the GSoC summit, since I cannot afford to pay the flight, but I
> could afford to pay the difference to wherever else than Mountain View
> the Gitogether would take place.

I think that if it's just after/before the Mentor Summit it makes no sense 
for it to be outside Mountain View. As Shawn said there are many git users 
that will be there for the summit, so we want to make it easy for them to 
attend the GitTogether.

> All this, of course, provided that Google invites us, and that I am
> actually one of the few lucky mentors being allowed to come.

I don't think I deserve/want to go to the Google SoC Mentor Summit but I 
would apprieciate if some of the mentor money could fund some of my travel 
expenses.

By the way I created this page on the wiki:

http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitTogether

If someone see things to add, please do so.

Thanks,
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Sam Vilain]

Figure I may as well answer this, given it's addressed to me :)

On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:34 -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> 	1: Are you interested in attending a Gittogether:
> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

Yes, but happy to participate in technical events via telemetry.

> 	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No

Sure, but only if several people thought it would be worth blowing US
$1400 of community funds on my ticket ... that's what it costs to get
across the Pacific!

> 	3: What month/year would be best?
> 		Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.

The summit time is actually quite good for me.

> 	4: What would you hope to see/accomplish while there?
> 		[ ] Instructor-lead Git training
> 		[ ] 24 hour hack-a-new-feature contest
> 		[ ] ... ?
> 		Enter other ideas: [  <big text box thingy>    ]

The main reason I'd be interested in joining would be to talk to people
about the gittorrent project, or any other similar "cloud computing"
over git ideas.  There was a bit of difference of opinions, and some
divergence of ideas that was possibly avoidable.  It would be good to
"crack out" the concepts with a group of people "in person".  I'm pretty
sure there's already a videoconference setup at Catalyst, or if not
there could be one jimmied up easily enough.  So that might be a nice
cheap thing to do - I can give a 30 minute overview of the technology,
and hopefully participate in group discussion for another 30 minutes (or
as long as people are interested in the discussion really).

Of course I'd equally like to meet people... that's all good and
fun :-).  And I've got connections in Portland as well.  I just think
it's probably not the best use of community funds.

> 	5: Would you volunteer to help organize it?

I'd volunteer for anything, but you'd better turn it down I'd be
hopeless ;-).

Sam

Re: Gittogether event?

[Christian Couder]

Le mardi 26 août 2008, Sam Vilain a écrit :
> Figure I may as well answer this, given it's addressed to me :)

Yes, thank you very much for your answer :-)
By the way David and Daniel, are you interested by a GitTogether or by the 
GSoC Summit?

> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:34 -0700, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> > 	1: Are you interested in attending a Gittogether:
> > 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No
>
> Yes, but happy to participate in technical events via telemetry.

From below in your email it seems you mean video conference.
Are there other people interested by an event via video conference?

> > 	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
> > 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No
>
> Sure, but only if several people thought it would be worth blowing US
> $1400 of community funds on my ticket ... that's what it costs to get
> across the Pacific!

Maybe you can go to the GCoC Mentor Summit and Google will pay your ticket?
Are you interested in going to the Mentor Summit?

> > 	3: What month/year would be best?
> > 		Option list for next 12 months from Oct 08-Oct 09.
>
> The summit time is actually quite good for me.
>
> > 	4: What would you hope to see/accomplish while there?
> > 		[ ] Instructor-lead Git training
> > 		[ ] 24 hour hack-a-new-feature contest
> > 		[ ] ... ?
> > 		Enter other ideas: [  <big text box thingy>    ]
>
> The main reason I'd be interested in joining would be to talk to people
> about the gittorrent project, or any other similar "cloud computing"
> over git ideas.  There was a bit of difference of opinions, and some
> divergence of ideas that was possibly avoidable.  It would be good to
> "crack out" the concepts with a group of people "in person".  I'm pretty
> sure there's already a videoconference setup at Catalyst, or if not
> there could be one jimmied up easily enough.  So that might be a nice
> cheap thing to do - I can give a 30 minute overview of the technology,
> and hopefully participate in group discussion for another 30 minutes (or
> as long as people are interested in the discussion really).
>
> Of course I'd equally like to meet people... that's all good and
> fun :-).  And I've got connections in Portland as well.  I just think
> it's probably not the best use of community funds.
>
> > 	5: Would you volunteer to help organize it?
>
> I'd volunteer for anything, but you'd better turn it down I'd be
> hopeless ;-).

Thanks anyway ;-)
Christian.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Daniel Barkalow]

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Christian Couder wrote:

> Le mardi 26 août 2008, Sam Vilain a écrit :
> > Figure I may as well answer this, given it's addressed to me :)
> 
> Yes, thank you very much for your answer :-)
> By the way David and Daniel, are you interested by a GitTogether or by the 
> GSoC Summit?

I'm not really; I don't like to travel and I'm pretty busy these days.

	-Daniel
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Re: Gittogether event?

[Sam Vilain]

Christian Couder wrote:
>>> 	1: Are you interested in attending a Gittogether:
>>> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No
>> Yes, but happy to participate in technical events via telemetry.
> From below in your email it seems you mean video conference.
> Are there other people interested by an event via video conference?

Well, IME this only really works for a limited number of people
attending via a video link.

>>> 	2: Would you travel to Portland, Oregon for the Gittogether:
>>> 		[ ] Yes   [ ]  No
>> Sure, but only if several people thought it would be worth blowing US
>> $1400 of community funds on my ticket ... that's what it costs to get
>> across the Pacific!
> Maybe you can go to the GCoC Mentor Summit and Google will pay your ticket?
> Are you interested in going to the Mentor Summit?

Sure, I'd love to go, it's well timed between my terms and I haven't
been to SFO yet.  It's just a lot of money, and imagine all the trees
I'll have to plant to offset the carbon emissions :-)

Sam.

Re: Gittogether event?

[Christian Couder]

Le jeudi 28 août 2008, Sam Vilain a écrit :
> Christian Couder wrote:
> >
> > Maybe you can go to the GCoC Mentor Summit and Google will pay your
> > ticket? Are you interested in going to the Mentor Summit?
>
> Sure, I'd love to go, it's well timed between my terms and I haven't
> been to SFO yet.  It's just a lot of money, and imagine all the trees
> I'll have to plant to offset the carbon emissions :-)

No, you just need to get Git Torrent implemented! In the long run it will 
save tons of carbon emissions :-)

Regards,
Christian.