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From: "Stephen R. van den Berg" <srb@cuci.nl>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:00:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080911160040.GE2056@cuci.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809111047380.23787@xanadu.home>

Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Stephen R. van den Berg wrote:
>> Anything I missed?

>Technically speaking, implementation d is obviously the most efficient.  
>but, as mentioned above, the actual need for this feature has not been 
>convincing so far.  Until then, it is not wise to add random stuff to 
>the very structure of a commit object, while c can be done even 
>externally from git which is a good way to demonstrate and convince 
>people about the usefulness of such feature.

The actual need for the feature seems to be dependent on one's workflow
habits.  This is also the problem I sense throughout the thread: some
people know exactly what I'm talking about, and would come up with the
almost identical design specs for the feature independent of myself, and
others need to be explained every tiny detail of the spec because they
are not familiar with the concept and can't imagine why/how it would be
used.

Let me try and describe once more the typical environment this origin field
is vital in:

Imagine a repository with:
- 33774 commits total
- 13 years of history
- 1 development branch
- 9 stable branches (forked off of the development branch at regular
  intervals during the past 13 years).
- The stable branches are never merged with each other or with the
  development branch.
- 2787 individual back/forward ports between the development and stable
  branches.

In order to have meaningful output for git-blame, it needs to follow the
chain across cherry-picks reliably.
Once you alter a piece of code, in order to figure out what more to alter,
you need to verify if this piece of code was or wasn't forward/backported.
Reliable and fast reporting of this, and actual comparison of the
different forward/backports between the 9 branches is essential.  It
basically means that you need to view the diffs of the patches across 9
branches on a regular basis.

Without the origin links, this workflow will cost a lot more time to
pursue (I know it, because I'm living it at the moment, and no, I'm not
the only developer, it's a development team).

This development model is not unique to my situation, it occurs at more
places.
-- 
Sincerely,
           Stephen R. van den Berg.
"There are three types of people in the world;
 those who can count, and those who can't."

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-11 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-09 13:22 [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 13:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-09 14:04   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 13:48 ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 15:44 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 16:38   ` Steven Grimm
2008-09-09 19:43   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 19:59     ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 20:25       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 20:42       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-09 20:47         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-09-09 20:50         ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 22:35           ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 23:07             ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-10  8:10               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10  0:13         ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  1:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-10  5:38             ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 21:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-09 21:09         ` Jeff King
2008-09-09 23:36           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 20:54     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 23:08       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 23:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-09 23:58       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  0:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10  5:42           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 23:09               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  0:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11  6:22                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  8:20                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 12:31                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 13:51                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 15:32                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 18:00                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 19:03                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 19:33                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 19:44                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:03                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 20:24                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:05                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 20:22                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  0:30                                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-12  5:39                                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:04                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-11 21:46                                   ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 22:56                                     ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 23:01                                       ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 23:17                                         ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 23:10                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 23:26                                       ` Jeff King
2008-09-11 23:36                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 15:02                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 16:00                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg [this message]
2008-09-11 17:02                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 18:44                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:00                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 21:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-09-11 22:32                                 ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 22:40                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 12:28                     ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-11 12:39                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  0:03                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-12  0:13                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 15:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 16:01                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11 16:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-11 20:16                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 16:53                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 19:23                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 19:45                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-11 19:55                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 20:27                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-12  8:50                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11 21:01                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12  8:40                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  8:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 15:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:37               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-10 15:57                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 23:15                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 16:23                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-11 23:28                       ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-11 23:44                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-12  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-12  5:47                           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12  6:19                             ` Rogan Dawes
2008-09-12  6:56                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 14:58                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 15:05                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-12 15:11                               ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-12 15:40                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-12 16:00                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 15:54                               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 16:19                                 ` Jeff King
2008-09-12 16:43                                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-12 18:44                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-12 20:56                                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-15 12:21                                 ` Sam Vilain
2008-09-09 23:59       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-09 21:13 ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-09 22:56   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-09 23:05     ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-09 23:32       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  9:35       ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert, and more about porcelain-level metadata Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 10:44         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 11:49           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 12:30             ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 13:14               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 14:33         ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-09-10 15:15           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 12:21     ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Theodore Tso
2008-09-10 14:16       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 15:10         ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 21:50           ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 21:54             ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 22:34               ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10 22:55                 ` Jeff King
2008-09-10 23:19                   ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  5:16                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11  7:55                       ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-11  8:45                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-11 12:33                         ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-09-11  2:46                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-10 16:18         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-10 16:40         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-10 17:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-10 22:44             ` Stephen R. van den Berg
2008-09-10  8:45   ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-09-23 13:51   ` Recording "partial merges" (was: Re: [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert) Peter Krefting
2008-09-10 20:32 ` [RFC] origin link for cherry-pick and revert Miklos Vajna
2008-09-10 20:55   ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-09-10 21:06     ` Miklos Vajna

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