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From: "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss03@volumehost.net>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: fatal output from git-show really wants a terminal
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:51:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200812111051.20322.bss03@volumehost.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0812111015140.18321@eeepc-johanness>

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On Thursday 2008 December 11 03:15:47 you wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 13:46:50 you wrote:
>> >On Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2008, Tim Olsen wrote:
>> >> It appears that when outputting a fatal error, git-show will choose
>> >> stdout over stderr if stdout is a terminal and stderr is not.
>> >
>> >This is by design.
>>
>> Then it is poor design. :P j/k
>
>Read up on the reasoning before trolling, will ya?  It's all in the Git
>history.

Seeing how I'm new, and this message indicated I had screwed up, I starting 
going through the 'git log' looking for a commit message that either 
documented this behavior, or indicated the commit had documented this 
behavior.

Initially, I was looking for 'stdout' or 'stderr', and found many unrelated 
commits.  I then figured it was part of the PAGER support, and began 
searching for that.  I did find an indication of why stdout and stderr are 
both redirected to the PAGER's stdin -- but that makes sense to me; I wasn't 
questioning it.  At least not too much -- but when the user indicates stderr 
and stdout should go to different locations, shouldn't they?

I was mainly questioning using a pager AT ALL when the git command is used in 
a non-interactive environment, and how git detects an interactive invocation.  
I feel this should be done the same way a (POSIX standard) shell detects 
interactivity, and that in a non-interactive environment git should not 
default to using PAGER.

Now, I certainly could have missed the commit message / commit with 
rationale / documentation.  'git log' output is a long document, and I maybe 
using the wrong keywords for my search.  It also is not all the documentation 
that is out there.  I'm not afraid to RTFM; but I'm not having much luck 
finding the right parts to R.

Finally, I didn't mean to offend.  I was hoping the smiley (":P") and "j/k" 
would indicate that a was only half serious and know that I don't have the 
benefit of following the project closely for very long.  I'm appreciative of 
the hard work that goes into git and don't mean to belittle that effort.
-- 
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.                     ,= ,-_-. =. 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-11 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-10 16:01 fatal output from git-show really wants a terminal Tim Olsen
2008-12-10 16:10 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2008-12-10 19:46 ` Johannes Sixt
2008-12-10 20:10   ` Tim Olsen
2008-12-10 22:24   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.1.00.0812111015140.18321@eeepc-johanness>
2008-12-11 16:51       ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [this message]
2008-12-11 21:55         ` Jeff King
2008-12-11 22:45           ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2008-12-11 22:59             ` Jeff King
2008-12-11 23:03             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-12-15  8:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-12-15  8:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-12-15  8:25                 ` Jeff King

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