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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Ron Garret <ron1@flownet.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: master^ is not a local branch -- huh?!?
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:19:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100202191942.GB9628@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ron1-1E906F.17124201022010@news.gmane.org>

On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 05:12:42PM -0800, Ron Garret wrote:
> In article <7vk4uwmp95.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org>,
>  Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Ron Garret <ron1@flownet.com> writes:
> > 
> > > The manual specifically contradicts you, so either you are wrong or the 
> > > manual is wrong.
> > 
> > In case you haven't noticed, Pasky is one of the old timers and he knows a
> > thing or two about the git's world model.
> 
> My intent was not to diss Pasky, it was just to point out a disconnect 
> between what he was saying and what the manual says.  It's quite 
> possible that the manual is wrong or out of date or just misleading.  
> But it says what it says.
> 
> > And I do not see a contradiction in what the manual describes and "a
> > branch is a named pointer to a commit" (although "named" can probably be
> > omitted as "unnamed pointer" is not useful at the UI level).
> 
> But that's not what the manual says.  The manual says, "When we need to 
> be precise, we will use the word "branch" to mean a line of 
> development..."  Those are the first words in the section entitled 
> "Understanding history: What is a branch?"  It certainly appears to the 
> untrained eye that that is intended to be the definition of a branch.

My memory is that I'd seen the word "branch" used for both meanings (a
linear piece of history, and a ref under ref/heads/), so figured we
needed terms for both.

But then I didn't really use that distinction anywhere.  On a quick skim
the only instance I can see of the first sense is in
http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git-core/docs/user-manual.html#counting-commits-on-a-branch,
which could probably be reworded.

It still may be worth acknowledging the confusion; e.g., something like:

	In the above diagram, "A", "B", and "master" are all references
	to a point in history.  We call all three "branches".

	Informally, the word "branch" is sometimes also used to the
	entire line of development leading up to one of these points,
	or, more generally, to any individual line of development.  But
	when speaking about git, a "branch" (or "branch head") will
	always be a reference to a point in history, and in particular a
	reference which may be advanced to new commits by future
	development.

Eh, I don't know if that's helpful; maybe that section could just be
deleted.  Or replaced by a more general discusion of the ref/ namespace.

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-02 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-01 11:52 master^ is not a local branch -- huh?!? Steve Diver
2010-02-01 17:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-01 17:58   ` Sergei Organov
2010-02-01 22:52     ` Ron Garret
2010-02-01 23:01       ` Petr Baudis
2010-02-01 23:25       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-01 23:37       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-01 23:56         ` Ron Garret
2010-02-02  0:15           ` Petr Baudis
2010-02-02  0:45             ` Ron Garret
2010-02-02  0:53               ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-02  1:12                 ` Ron Garret
2010-02-02 19:19                   ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2010-02-02 22:04                     ` Ron Garret
2010-02-03 18:27                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-02-02  4:05               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-02  5:23                 ` Ron Garret
2010-02-02  5:43                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-02 21:07                   ` tytso
2010-02-02  0:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-02  0:21       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-01 18:12   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-02-01 18:27     ` Jay Soffian
2010-02-01 22:34     ` Steve Diver
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-01-29 20:20 Ron1
2010-01-29 20:27 ` Jacob Helwig
2010-01-29 20:35   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 20:38     ` Jacob Helwig
2010-01-29 20:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 20:56       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 21:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 21:20       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-29 21:21         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 21:29           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-29 21:32             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 21:51               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-29 21:58                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 22:00                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 22:34                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-29 22:39                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 22:46                       ` Jacob Helwig
2010-01-29 23:43                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  0:14                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  0:18                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-30  0:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  0:35                               ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-30  0:38                               ` Michael Witten
2010-01-30  0:39                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  1:01                               ` Mark Lodato
2010-01-30  1:22                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  2:38                                   ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  2:59                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  3:26                                       ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  4:03                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  5:06                                           ` Jay Soffian
2010-01-30  5:09                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  4:52                                       ` Jay Soffian
2010-01-30  5:15                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  5:21                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  6:25                                             ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30 18:25                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  5:45                                           ` Jay Soffian
2010-01-30  5:18                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  6:23                                         ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  2:40                                   ` Mark Lodato
2010-01-30  3:11                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  3:59                                       ` Mark Lodato
2010-01-30  4:39                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  5:05                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  5:11                                             ` Jay Soffian
2010-01-30  5:25                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-30  5:53                                           ` Mark Lodato
2010-01-30  6:03                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  8:59                 ` Jeff King
2010-01-30 18:40                   ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 23:16               ` A Large Angry SCM
2010-01-29 21:49         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  2:13         ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-01-30  3:15           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-01-29 20:35   ` Johannes Schindelin
2010-01-29 21:16     ` Ron1
2010-01-29 21:25       ` Jacob Helwig
2010-01-29 21:43         ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 21:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 22:18             ` Ron Garret
2010-01-31  7:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 20:32 ` Octavio Alvarez
2010-01-29 21:34   ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 22:32     ` Octavio Alvarez
2010-01-29 22:47       ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 23:05         ` Octavio Alvarez
2010-01-29 23:12         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 23:30           ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 23:28         ` Julian Phillips
2010-01-30  0:14           ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  0:18             ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30 19:02               ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30 19:24                 ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 20:36 ` Scott R. Godin
2010-01-29 21:24   ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 21:28     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-01-29 21:40       ` Ron Garret
2010-01-29 21:54       ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-29 22:12         ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  0:33           ` Michael Witten
2010-01-30  3:06             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  6:16               ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  6:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  7:31                   ` Ron Garret
2010-01-30  8:02                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-01-30  8:56                       ` Ron Garret

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