From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fix signal handler
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 05:29:16 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100203102915.GA25486@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B694DEE.5030207@web.de>
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:20:30AM +0100, Markus Elfring wrote:
> > I don't think anyone here is much interested in whether there is any
> > sort of guarantee on a particular construct working.
>
> That is a pity. - I would expect that professional software development
> will build on working specifications instead of potentially undefined
> behaviour.
I think it is simply impractical. It's not that we're ignoring a
specification, it's that there _isn't_ a concrete specification for the
set of systems we're interested in.
> > So to answer your question, I honestly don't know. The code may well
> > be broken on common platforms and it is simply a race condition that
> > has never come up. But I do know that it has not been a common source
> > of bug reports, which makes me not want to spend time investigating
> > it when nobody has demonstrated its incorrectness beyond mentioning
> > a standards document.
> [...]
> I find that programming errors in this area might be hard to identify
> from the outside because resulting race conditions and deadlocks fall
> into the symptom category of heisenbugs, don't they?
Yes, they can be hard to identify from the outside. But if you are
interested in addressing the situation, I am suggesting that the first
step would be to demonstrate that there in fact _is_ a race condition,
and it is not simply some theoretical problem.
-Peff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-03 10:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-02 16:14 Fix signal handler Markus Elfring
2010-02-02 20:58 ` Jeff King
2010-02-02 21:44 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-02 22:32 ` Jeff King
2010-02-03 10:20 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 10:29 ` Jeff King [this message]
2010-02-03 11:55 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 13:12 ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-03 15:46 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 15:52 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2010-02-03 15:53 ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-03 16:24 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-04 7:23 ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-03 15:17 ` Jeff King
2010-02-03 16:04 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 16:26 ` Bill Lear
2010-02-09 18:01 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-09 23:49 ` Daniel Barkalow
2010-02-10 17:08 ` [PATCH] " Markus Elfring
2010-02-10 17:14 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2010-02-10 17:35 ` Jeff King
2010-02-10 17:33 ` Jeff King
2010-02-13 13:30 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-14 6:47 ` Jeff King
2010-02-14 10:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 16:31 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-18 20:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-19 11:05 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-22 12:10 ` [PATCH] Fix a " Markus Elfring
2010-02-22 18:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-23 8:55 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-23 9:10 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-23 21:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-24 10:38 ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-24 10:51 ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-24 11:08 ` Markus Elfring
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20100203102915.GA25486@coredump.intra.peff.net \
--to=peff@peff.net \
--cc=Markus.Elfring@web.de \
--cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).