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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fix signal handler
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 05:29:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100203102915.GA25486@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B694DEE.5030207@web.de>

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:20:30AM +0100, Markus Elfring wrote:

> > I don't think anyone here is much interested in whether there is any
> > sort of guarantee on a particular construct working.
> 
> That is a pity. - I would expect that professional software development
> will build on working specifications instead of potentially undefined
> behaviour.

I think it is simply impractical. It's not that we're ignoring a
specification, it's that there _isn't_ a concrete specification for the
set of systems we're interested in.

> > So to answer your question, I honestly don't know. The code may well
> > be broken on common platforms and it is simply a race condition that
> > has never come up. But I do know that it has not been a common source
> > of bug reports, which makes me not want to spend time investigating
> > it when nobody has demonstrated its incorrectness beyond mentioning
> > a standards document.
> [...]
> I find that programming errors in this area might be hard to identify
> from the outside because resulting race conditions and deadlocks fall
> into the symptom category of heisenbugs, don't they?

Yes, they can be hard to identify from the outside. But if you are
interested in addressing the situation, I am suggesting that the first
step would be to demonstrate that there in fact _is_ a race condition,
and it is not simply some theoretical problem.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-03 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-02 16:14 Fix signal handler Markus Elfring
2010-02-02 20:58 ` Jeff King
2010-02-02 21:44   ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-02 22:32     ` Jeff King
2010-02-03 10:20       ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 10:29         ` Jeff King [this message]
2010-02-03 11:55           ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 13:12             ` Thomas Rast
2010-02-03 15:46               ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 15:52                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2010-02-03 15:53                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-03 16:24                   ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-04  7:23                     ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-03 15:17             ` Jeff King
2010-02-03 16:04               ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-03 16:26                 ` Bill Lear
2010-02-09 18:01   ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-09 23:49     ` Daniel Barkalow
2010-02-10 17:08     ` [PATCH] " Markus Elfring
2010-02-10 17:14       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2010-02-10 17:35         ` Jeff King
2010-02-10 17:33       ` Jeff King
2010-02-13 13:30         ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-14  6:47           ` Jeff King
2010-02-14 10:19             ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-18 16:31               ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-18 20:06                 ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-19 11:05                   ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-22 12:10                   ` [PATCH] Fix a " Markus Elfring
2010-02-22 18:31                     ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-23  8:55                       ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-23  9:10                         ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-23 21:48                         ` Junio C Hamano
2010-02-24 10:38                           ` Markus Elfring
2010-02-24 10:51                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2010-02-24 11:08                           ` Markus Elfring

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