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From: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>
To: mike@nahas.com
Cc: Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Scott Chacon <schacon@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Command-line interface thoughts
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:20:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106101420.12892.jnareb@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikHkTHP7eJ=_wPosi7yj4BX=c1gaA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 10 Jul 2011, Michael Nahas wrote:
> Jakub Narebski wrote:

> > 'git diff' / 'git diff --cached' / 'git diff HEAD' is about use cases
> > (or "user stories").  'git diff NEXT WTREE' / 'git diff HEAD NEXT' /
> > / 'git diff HEAD WTREE' are about mechanism.
> 
> Would you say that the UNIX commands "find", "grep", and "xargs" are
> about use cases?  I rarely use them by themselves.  They clearly
> manipulate concepts: files and lines.  So, it's easy for me to think
> what this does:
> 
> find . | grep "\.h" | xargs grep MyClass | grep public

You do know that this is way suboptimal, even if you don't have 'ack'
installed, and don't use "git grep --no-index"?

> 
> I'm trying to find concepts the concepts that git manipulates and I
> think NEXT and WTREE are part of those concepts.
> 
> It is my opinion that if we focus on concepts, we'll be able to create
> general commands and that the user will be able to combine the
> commands in new and interesting ways, like I combined the UNIX
> commands above.
> 
> I believe in "common" use cases.  The common case should be fast.  I
> have always recommended still allowing "git diff" by itself.
> 
> 
> BUT if we focus only on use cases, we'll create tools that are
> specific to ONE thing and are NOT general.  They will be harder for
> users to conceptualize and harder to combine in new and interesting
> ways.

But if it is the angle you want to play, then don't advertise it as
a feature meant for _new users_!  But if you go that route (e.g. as a way
to compare BASE with THEIRS, for whatever reason), then you probably
would need to invent some notation that is obvious that these are not
refs, like HEAD, ORIG_HEAD, MERGE_HEAD and FETCH_HEAD are.  Something
that is easy to remember, won't go in the way of either git or shell;
see e.g.

  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/175262/focus=175407

in "[RFC/PATCH] git put: an alternative to add/reset/checkout" thread.

-- 
Jakub Narebski
Poland

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-10 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <BANLkTikTWx7A64vN+hVZgL7cuiZ16Eobgg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-06-04 16:17 ` Command-line interface thoughts Michael Nahas
2011-06-04 21:49   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-05  1:00     ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-05 11:10       ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-05 18:39         ` Scott Chacon
2011-06-05 23:37           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06  6:16           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06  7:34             ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-06 11:45               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-06 12:19               ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06 13:20                 ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-08 13:10                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-06 16:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 16:40                   ` Drew Northup
2011-06-06 14:00               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 14:16                 ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-06 16:14                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-06 17:42                     ` Scott Chacon
2011-06-06 19:01                       ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTi=yytzDrJLvVn_ZhJOiQs-rqvKi1w@mail.gmail.com>
2011-06-07  2:31                           ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-07  4:03                             ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-07 11:04                               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-07  6:11                     ` Michael J Gruber
2011-06-07 11:45                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-07 19:00                         ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-07 19:11                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-07 20:33                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 13:04                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-08 18:56                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 11:55                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-10 16:44                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 18:07                                       ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-10 18:35                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 22:45                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-13  3:43                                             ` git diff --added (Re: Command-line interface thoughts) Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-13  4:11                                               ` Miles Bader
2011-06-13  4:46                                                 ` Miles Bader
2011-06-13  8:06                                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-06-13 12:55                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13 12:28                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13 19:47                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-13 20:31                                                     ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-13 10:15                                             ` Command-line interface thoughts Jakub Narebski
2011-06-13 22:33                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2011-06-14  4:21                                               ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-14  7:51                                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-07 19:34                         ` René Scharfe
2011-06-07 19:38                           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 11:12                       ` Command-line interface thoughts (ad-hominem attacks) Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 11:39                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-08 12:42                           ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-08 14:15                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-08 15:05                           ` Jeff King
2011-06-08 18:57                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09  0:43                               ` Jeff King
2011-06-09  1:56                                 ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10 15:29                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09  9:48                               ` Command-line interface thoughts Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 11:44                                 ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09 12:45                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 13:06                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09  9:06             ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 10:02               ` Andreas Ericsson
2011-06-09 13:30                 ` Thomas Rast
2011-06-09 16:18               ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 17:15                 ` Jay Soffian
2011-06-09 17:20                   ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 17:36                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 18:20                     ` Jay Soffian
2011-06-09 19:40                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 18:03                 ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 18:38                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-09 19:17                     ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 20:04                     ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 21:37                       ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-09 22:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-09 23:02                           ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-10 10:19                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10 11:06                               ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10 12:20                                 ` Jakub Narebski [this message]
2011-06-09 22:21                         ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 22:27                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-09 22:38                           ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 22:55                             ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-10  0:00                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-10  0:08                               ` Jeff King
2011-06-10 21:48                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-10 22:08                         ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-10 23:05                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-06-12  6:06                         ` Michael Haggerty
2011-06-12 21:12                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-12 13:30                         ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-12 21:29                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-06-13  2:14                             ` Michael Nahas
2011-06-13 18:50                         ` Jeff King
2011-06-09 19:41                   ` Jeff King
2011-06-05 21:22         ` Paul Ebermann
2011-06-05 21:34   ` Paul Ebermann

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