GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[vishwajeet singh]

Dear All,

Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
what scenarios we need them
I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
for supporting both protocols.


Regards,
Vishwajeet Singh

Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[Konstantin Khomoutov]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:

> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
> what scenarios we need them
> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
> for supporting both protocols.
http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html

Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[vishwajeet singh]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
<kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>> what scenarios we need them
>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>> for supporting both protocols.
> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>

Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh


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Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[Michael J Gruber]

vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 05:19:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
> <kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>>> what scenarios we need them
>>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>>> for supporting both protocols.
>> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>
> 
> Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
> looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
> both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
> what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh
> 
> 

You need to provide what your users demand ;)

Seriously, this is why GitHub and other providers offer both. Not only
are some users more comfortable with one protocol or the other (Win
users don't prefer ssh generally) but some might be able to use only one
because of firewalls or corporate rules.

>From the server perspective, the setup is completely different, of
course. Do you have shell accounts already which you want to reuse for
ssh+git? Do you prefer setting up a special purpose shell account
(gitosis/gitolite) or setting up a web server with authentication?

Michael

Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[vishwajeet singh]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Michael J Gruber
<git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 05:19:
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
>> <kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>>>> what scenarios we need them
>>>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>>>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>>>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>>>> for supporting both protocols.
>>> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
>>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
>> looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
>> both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
>> what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh
>>
>>
>
> You need to provide what your users demand ;)
>
> Seriously, this is why GitHub and other providers offer both. Not only
> are some users more comfortable with one protocol or the other (Win
> users don't prefer ssh generally) but some might be able to use only one
> because of firewalls or corporate rules.
>
> From the server perspective, the setup is completely different, of
> course. Do you have shell accounts already which you want to reuse for
> ssh+git? Do you prefer setting up a special purpose shell account
> (gitosis/gitolite) or setting up a web server with authentication?
>
I already have server setup with smart http backend, was just
wondering if my users would really need ssh support or not and I agree
to your point it should be based on user demand.

While going through the git book I encountered a very tall claim about
smart http
" I think this will become the standard Git protocol in the very near
future. I believe this because it's both efficient and can be run
either secure and authenticated (https) or open and unauthenticated
(http). It also has the huge advantage that most firewalls have those
ports (80 and 443) open already and normal users don't have to deal
with ssh-keygen and the like. Once most clients have updated to at
least v1.6.6, http will have a big place in the Git world."

http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html

Just based on above comment in book I thought if smart http is way to
go for future why to take hassle of setting up ssh.

I was planning to use gitosis as I have python background and code
looks not being maintained from quite sometime, which worries me a
bit, I stumbled upon gitomatic
https://github.com/jorgeecardona/gitomatic, has anyone any prior
experience

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.

> Michael



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Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[Michael J Gruber]

vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 11:04:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Michael J Gruber
> <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
>> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 05:19:
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
>>> <kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>>>>> what scenarios we need them
>>>>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>>>>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>>>>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>>>>> for supporting both protocols.
>>>> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
>>>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
>>> looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
>>> both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
>>> what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You need to provide what your users demand ;)
>>
>> Seriously, this is why GitHub and other providers offer both. Not only
>> are some users more comfortable with one protocol or the other (Win
>> users don't prefer ssh generally) but some might be able to use only one
>> because of firewalls or corporate rules.
>>
>> From the server perspective, the setup is completely different, of
>> course. Do you have shell accounts already which you want to reuse for
>> ssh+git? Do you prefer setting up a special purpose shell account
>> (gitosis/gitolite) or setting up a web server with authentication?
>>
> I already have server setup with smart http backend, was just
> wondering if my users would really need ssh support or not and I agree
> to your point it should be based on user demand.
> 
> While going through the git book I encountered a very tall claim about
> smart http
> " I think this will become the standard Git protocol in the very near
> future. I believe this because it's both efficient and can be run
> either secure and authenticated (https) or open and unauthenticated
> (http). It also has the huge advantage that most firewalls have those
> ports (80 and 443) open already and normal users don't have to deal
> with ssh-keygen and the like. Once most clients have updated to at
> least v1.6.6, http will have a big place in the Git world."
> 
> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
> 
> Just based on above comment in book I thought if smart http is way to
> go for future why to take hassle of setting up ssh.

There is no need to set up ssh if smart http does the job for you. I
don't think it makes a difference performance-wise on the server
(upload-pack vs. http-backend) but others are more proficient in this area.

I'm sure ssh+git is there to stay, it is just ordinary anonymous git
protocol tunneled through ssh. So, it's as future-proof as git is.

> I was planning to use gitosis as I have python background and code
> looks not being maintained from quite sometime, which worries me a
> bit, I stumbled upon gitomatic
> https://github.com/jorgeecardona/gitomatic, has anyone any prior
> experience

No idea about gitomatic. It looks a bit like "gitolite in python"
(alpha) but doesn't say much about it's ancestry.

There's also gitolite which is actively maintained and used. Basically,
it's "gitosis in perl". Sitaram, forgive me ;)

Michael

Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[Sitaram Chamarty]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Michael J Gruber
<git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 11:04:
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Michael J Gruber
>> <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
>>> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 05:19:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
>>>> <kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>>>>>> what scenarios we need them
>>>>>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>>>>>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>>>>>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>>>>>> for supporting both protocols.
>>>>> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
>>>>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
>>>> looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
>>>> both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
>>>> what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You need to provide what your users demand ;)
>>>
>>> Seriously, this is why GitHub and other providers offer both. Not only
>>> are some users more comfortable with one protocol or the other (Win
>>> users don't prefer ssh generally) but some might be able to use only one
>>> because of firewalls or corporate rules.
>>>
>>> From the server perspective, the setup is completely different, of
>>> course. Do you have shell accounts already which you want to reuse for
>>> ssh+git? Do you prefer setting up a special purpose shell account
>>> (gitosis/gitolite) or setting up a web server with authentication?
>>>
>> I already have server setup with smart http backend, was just
>> wondering if my users would really need ssh support or not and I agree
>> to your point it should be based on user demand.
>>
>> While going through the git book I encountered a very tall claim about
>> smart http
>> " I think this will become the standard Git protocol in the very near
>> future. I believe this because it's both efficient and can be run
>> either secure and authenticated (https) or open and unauthenticated
>> (http). It also has the huge advantage that most firewalls have those
>> ports (80 and 443) open already and normal users don't have to deal
>> with ssh-keygen and the like. Once most clients have updated to at
>> least v1.6.6, http will have a big place in the Git world."
>>
>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>
>> Just based on above comment in book I thought if smart http is way to
>> go for future why to take hassle of setting up ssh.
>
> There is no need to set up ssh if smart http does the job for you. I
> don't think it makes a difference performance-wise on the server
> (upload-pack vs. http-backend) but others are more proficient in this area.
>
> I'm sure ssh+git is there to stay, it is just ordinary anonymous git
> protocol tunneled through ssh. So, it's as future-proof as git is.
>
>> I was planning to use gitosis as I have python background and code
>> looks not being maintained from quite sometime, which worries me a
>> bit, I stumbled upon gitomatic
>> https://github.com/jorgeecardona/gitomatic, has anyone any prior
>> experience
>
> No idea about gitomatic. It looks a bit like "gitolite in python"
> (alpha) but doesn't say much about it's ancestry.
>
> There's also gitolite which is actively maintained and used. Basically,
> it's "gitosis in perl". Sitaram, forgive me ;)

oh that's quite alright.  People forget that gitolite was, for the
first 3 days of its life, called "gitosis-lite" :)

-- 
Sitaram

Re: GIT smart http vs GIT over ssh

[vishwajeet singh]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Michael J Gruber
<git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 11:04:
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Michael J Gruber
>> <git@drmicha.warpmail.net> wrote:
>>> vishwajeet singh venit, vidit, dixit 31.07.2012 05:19:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov
>>>> <kostix+git@007spb.ru> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:36:07AM +0530, vishwajeet singh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wanted to know the difference between smart http and ssh and in
>>>>>> what scenarios we need them
>>>>>> I am setting up a git server,  can I just do with smart http support
>>>>>> or I need to enable the ssh support to use git effectively.
>>>>>> As I understand github provides both the protocols, what's the reason
>>>>>> for supporting both protocols.
>>>>> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-The-Protocols
>>>>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the links, I have already gone through those links, was
>>>> looking from implementation perspective do I really need to support
>>>> both protocols on my server or I can just do with smart http and
>>>> what's the preferred way of doing it smart http or ssh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You need to provide what your users demand ;)
>>>
>>> Seriously, this is why GitHub and other providers offer both. Not only
>>> are some users more comfortable with one protocol or the other (Win
>>> users don't prefer ssh generally) but some might be able to use only one
>>> because of firewalls or corporate rules.
>>>
>>> From the server perspective, the setup is completely different, of
>>> course. Do you have shell accounts already which you want to reuse for
>>> ssh+git? Do you prefer setting up a special purpose shell account
>>> (gitosis/gitolite) or setting up a web server with authentication?
>>>
>> I already have server setup with smart http backend, was just
>> wondering if my users would really need ssh support or not and I agree
>> to your point it should be based on user demand.
>>
>> While going through the git book I encountered a very tall claim about
>> smart http
>> " I think this will become the standard Git protocol in the very near
>> future. I believe this because it's both efficient and can be run
>> either secure and authenticated (https) or open and unauthenticated
>> (http). It also has the huge advantage that most firewalls have those
>> ports (80 and 443) open already and normal users don't have to deal
>> with ssh-keygen and the like. Once most clients have updated to at
>> least v1.6.6, http will have a big place in the Git world."
>>
>> http://git-scm.com/2010/03/04/smart-http.html
>>
>> Just based on above comment in book I thought if smart http is way to
>> go for future why to take hassle of setting up ssh.
>
> There is no need to set up ssh if smart http does the job for you. I
> don't think it makes a difference performance-wise on the server
> (upload-pack vs. http-backend) but others are more proficient in this area.
>
> I'm sure ssh+git is there to stay, it is just ordinary anonymous git
> protocol tunneled through ssh. So, it's as future-proof as git is.

Now I think I should add ssh support :-)

let me know anything I need to be careful about from security
perspective while implementing this and any general pointers, mean
while I will go through the docs as well.
>
>> I was planning to use gitosis as I have python background and code
>> looks not being maintained from quite sometime, which worries me a
>> bit, I stumbled upon gitomatic
>> https://github.com/jorgeecardona/gitomatic, has anyone any prior
>> experience
>
> No idea about gitomatic. It looks a bit like "gitolite in python"
> (alpha) but doesn't say much about it's ancestry.
>
> There's also gitolite which is actively maintained and used. Basically,
> it's "gitosis in perl". Sitaram, forgive me ;)

I am looking for something based on python, I gave up using perl long
time back and there's no going back.
Will explore gitosis code and see if it can be used

Thanks for your answers it really helped me.
>
> Michael



-- 
Vishwajeet Singh