From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Theodore Ts'o Subject: Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20120807213938.GC3953@thunk.org> References: <50216D83.6080707@kernel.org> <20120807205524.GA3953@thunk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: John 'Warthog9' Hawley , Drew Northup , git , Junio C Hamano , Jeff King To: Eugene Sajine X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue Aug 07 23:40:28 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SyrVr-00072W-BU for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:40:27 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932124Ab2HGVkE (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:40:04 -0400 Received: from li9-11.members.linode.com ([67.18.176.11]:43508 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932072Ab2HGVjq (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:39:46 -0400 Received: from root (helo=closure.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SyrV3-0004nG-Kd; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:39:37 +0000 Received: by closure.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id D77022412CB; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:25:02PM -0400, Eugene Sajine wrote: > > Don't want to accept HTML messages - fine. But don't tell me which > program to use for my email, especially when I'm sending totally valid > message, so take my plain text message part and use it. > The problem is that HTML messages is a really good signal for SPAM and exploits sent by spambots trying to break into Windows machines. So from the perspective of keeping the vger lists spam-free, it works very well. Also, from a practical point of view, most of the mailers which send HTML also tend to mangle patches, and since most of the vger lists are very developer centric, having users use MUA's that mangle patches is highly unfortunate. So having a hard requirement has been often useful for developers who, say, are unfortunate enough to work at a company that mandates the use of Lotus Notes, since it's a nice way to force the company to set up an alternate IMAP/SMTP infrastructure for developers who need to interact with the Linux Kernel community. Speaking as someone who used to work at IBM's Linux Technology Center, let me assure you there are some unappreciated, but still very valid, side effects of the current policies in force on vger. There are other solutions to the spam problem, of course --- such as diverting all of vger's mail through Postini, which is uses the same anti-spam technology that GMail uses, and which is pretty good. (Far better than Symantec's anti-virus filtering service, which is what mit.edu uses, so I've had experience with both.) But the tin foil hat community would probably be all suspicious about routing all of vger through Google's servers, even though pretty much all of the vger mailing lists are archived on web sites such as Gmane.... and truth to tell, the current solution which VGER has for filtering spam works pretty well, all things considered. It's rather unfortunate that Android-only GMail users are an unintended casualty. - Ted