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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>,
	Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] t5516 (fetch-push): introduce mk_test_with_name()
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:00:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130320200010.GR3655@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130320185844.GB30165@sigill.intra.peff.net>

Jeff King wrote:

>                                                                    I
> tend to read the tests in a top-down manner: a test is interesting
> (usually because it fails), and then I want to see what it is doing, so
> I look at any functions it calls, and so forth.
>
> What I usually find _much_ harder to debug is when there is hidden state
> leftover from other tests.

Thanks for articulating this.  I agree that keeping track of state is
the hardest part of working with git's tests.

To clarify my earlier comment, I was reading the test script from the
point of view of someone who wants to add an additional test, rather
than someone debugging an existing one.  That person has a difficult
task: she needs to understand

 * What do the existing tests in the script do?  This information
   is important in deciding whether the new test will be redundant.

 * How do I work with the particular dialect used in the script,
   including helpers?  A new test should fit in with the style of its
   surroundings to avoid contributing to an unmaintainable mess.

 * What is the intended scope of the test script?  Does my new test
   belong in this script?

 * What is the logical progression of the script?  What story does this
   script tell?  Where should I insert my test to maintain a logical
   ordering?

 * What state that later tests rely on do I need to avoid clobbering?

Generally the best way to help such a person is to make the script
very simple.  In particular, using standard helpers instead of custom
functions when appropriate and documenting helpers used to give new
readers a quick introduction to the dialect can help a lot.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-20 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-20 12:44 [PATCH v2 0/6] Support triangular workflows Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 12:44 ` [PATCH 1/6] remote.c: simplify a bit of code using git_config_string() Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:07   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 18:12     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 12:44 ` [PATCH 2/6] t5516 (fetch-push): update test description Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:22   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 18:33     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:35       ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 12:44 ` [PATCH 3/6] t5516 (fetch-push): introduce mk_test_with_name() Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:28   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 18:38     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:41       ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 18:58         ` Jeff King
2013-03-20 19:52           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-20 20:00           ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2013-03-20 12:44 ` [PATCH 4/6] remote.c: introduce a way to have different remotes for fetch/push Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:30   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 19:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-20 19:43     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 19:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-20 12:45 ` [PATCH 5/6] remote.c: introduce remote.pushdefault Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 18:32   ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-20 18:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-20 19:46     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 12:45 ` [PATCH 6/6] remote.c: introduce branch.<name>.pushremote Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 13:03   ` Tay Ray Chuan
2013-03-20 13:35     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 13:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Support triangular workflows Tay Ray Chuan
2013-03-22  7:44   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-20 23:04 ` Philip Oakley
2013-03-22  7:41   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-22 15:16   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-23 12:42     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-03-22  7:52 [PATCH v3 " Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-22  7:52 ` [PATCH 3/6] t5516 (fetch-push): introduce mk_test_with_name() Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-22 14:44   ` Jeff King
2013-03-22 14:52     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-22 14:59       ` Jeff King
2013-03-22 21:14       ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-03-28 13:03     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-03-22 14:54   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-03-22 14:58     ` Jeff King

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