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From: John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>
To: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Johannes Sixt <j.sixt@viscovery.net>,
	Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] push: introduce implicit push
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:46:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130415094605.GD2278@serenity.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALkWK0kzpgucLbe5TtwbZ0st51+9ZW2hkML4=yHV4y--USfynA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 02:47:35PM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
> John Keeping wrote:
> > I may be an atypical user, but my expectation currently is that
> > branch.<name>.remote is what is used when I run "git push" with no
> > additional arguments.
> >
> > This is probably because whenever I add additional arguments (currently)
> > I have to specify where I am pushing to.
> >
> > So I think breaking user expectations is a red herring here because the
> > current behaviour means that users cannot have any expectation of what
> > will happen in this case.  Either you don't say anything and "git push"
> > DTRT for your current branch or you must specify precisely what you want
> > to happen (or at least the remote to use if you have push.default =
> > matching or remote.<name>.mirror set).
> >
> > Personally I'd vote for "git push -- master" pushing to
> > remote.pushdefault, but I really don't know how you handle "git push --"
> > with the naïve implementation of that - is it the same as "git push" or
> > "git push $(git config remote.pushdefault)"?
> 
> We're not changing, or even discussing, what a plain git push without
> destination or refspecs specified should do (yes, that means git push
> -- too); it depends on push.default, which already exists.  My
> proposal does not aim to change the current behavior of _any_ current
> invocation (that means git push, git push origin master, git push next
> master v1.2, and so on). It aims to make the new syntax git push
> master +next behave logically.  I think we can all agree that the
> logical solution (leaving aside founded/ unfounded user expectations)
> is to pick destinations for each of the branches specified
> individually.  As I explained in my last email, using
> remote.pushdefault is Wrong because it treats branches like tags, and
> invents a new precedence.  Voting without a basis is useless: do you
> have a counter-argument for the points I raised as to why it is Wrong?

As Junio says in his parallel message, there are different opinions
here, my suggestions was to effectively replace "--" with the value of
remote.pushdefault.  I don't think your solution is not logical, but I
don't think it is the unique logical solution.

The problem is that people have different opinions of what the current
situation means, resulting in different expectations of what push
without a remote should do.  Whatever behaviour we choose /will/ be
surprising to some users, even though it is completely logical.  That
much is clear from the differing opinions in this thread.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-15  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-12 15:33 [RFC/PATCH] push: introduce implicit push Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-12 22:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-13  4:49   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-14  4:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-14  8:33       ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-14 13:29       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-15  3:04         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-15  7:07           ` Johannes Sixt
2013-04-15  7:20             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-15  8:35               ` John Keeping
2013-04-15  9:17                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-15  9:46                   ` John Keeping [this message]
2013-04-15  9:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-15  9:44                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-15  9:59                   ` John Keeping
2013-04-15 16:39                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-15 17:13                       ` John Keeping
2013-04-15 17:18                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-04-15  9:35           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-16  2:05             ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-16  2:13               ` Jonathan Nieder

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