From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jonathan Nieder Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation/CommunityGuidelines Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20130610190102.GF12924@google.com> References: <51B5D9A1.1080900@ensimag.fr> <7vzjuxj21b.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "Robin H. Johnson" , Git Mailing List , Ramkumar Ramachandra To: Junio C Hamano X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Jun 10 21:01:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Um7L8-0005cE-26 for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:01:14 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754480Ab3FJTBJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:09 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com ([209.85.220.53]:34303 "EHLO mail-pa0-f53.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754471Ab3FJTBG (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:01:06 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id tj12so2925460pac.12 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=nZP37iJearurgkrMGvfM5W4O3a7EW+lrK5CpWZdj47A=; b=m7HpONwmWhdbvi9GSsBhVOwflbI54aWaRMOww+DnMfeoNGJW14kJdJk9BpFBuDyKWm 8UeWl3alIozhMeN1YlpqwlgZkcx1Z6m1xWKIzYopOpBuOH/OjUPCntsCFapyI3PGl9i8 b7FPg8AQfpKTlET56qjeVAAnLMu4E5E9E8DjYx5Ew5+i6kL4IgI1voG8be/69X5pOeeZ 2FfsdWWApwAv1auH5++pA7QBGvy9gq5YkSSGGJrG5adbgvw358/+t/SkYagxLJkHil73 mo+So2Cd21PdsMz14E73NXtU9+rMxCjAq8MwL2JI0+4rOIaD18whvVZasY56o0+fuVLq OBpA== X-Received: by 10.68.245.170 with SMTP id xp10mr11309294pbc.41.1370890866343; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from google.com ([2620:0:1000:5b00:b6b5:2fff:fec3:b50d]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eq5sm11354068pbc.15.2013.06.10.12.01.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7vzjuxj21b.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Junio C Hamano wrote: > 0. You do not take offense, no matter what. If someone attacks > you irrationally, you do not respond. This is a public mailing > list, and we are all rational people: the attacker has already > humiliated herself in public, and everyone can see that. [...] > I suspect it mostly has to do with the desire to make sure that > bystanders do not get an impression that the one who speaks last > gives the conclusion to the discussion, so stating "The attacker > being the one who speaks last in the discussion does not mean the > conclusion is his." explicitly might be one way to make it more > practically useful by alleviating the urge to respond, instead of > saying "no matter what". > > I dunno. Actually my motivation is worse than that in at least one of the cases I am assuming Ram is referring to. I don't think most bystanders would misunderstand if I let a certain person alone instead of responding and saying "You are being unproductive. Please stop." But that certain person seems to misunderstand, whether I say that or not. So when I lose patience I say so, knowing that it will spark a discussion with others, knowing that that discussion needs to happen and that if the problem is not addressed I will continue to lose motivation for regular work on-list. Is that an instance of taking offense and letting emotion overtake reason? Is that against the rules? Jonathan