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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "John Keeping" <john@keeping.me.uk>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder@ira.uka.de>,
	"Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Re: [PATCH 3/4] t: rev-parse-parents: avoid yoda conditions
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:36:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130904183559.GA3465@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq1u54o5c4.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com>

On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 10:38:03AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> >> This is way off tangent, but I am somewhat sympathetic to Felipe's
> >> "compare actual with expect", with reservations.
> >
> > This isn't an argument either way, but note that JUnit (and NUnit and
> > PHPUnit) all have assertEquals methods that take the arguments in the
> > order "expect, actual".  I've always assumed that Git's test framework
> > was imitating that,...
> 
> No.  See 82ebb0b6 (add test_cmp function for test scripts,
> 2008-03-12).  The "test_cmp" was a replacement for "diff -u", and
> the same order we fed "diff -u", i.e. expect then actual, was
> carried over.

I don't think it was intentional at the time. But over the intervening 5
years, I have noticed that I certainly think of "test_cmp A B" as
"differences from A to B", and the order makes sense. IOW, the "test_cmp
is diff" abstraction is leaky, and that is fine (if it were not leaky,
then order would not matter at all, but it clearly does).

But let's take a step back. This seems like an endian-ness issue to me.
I.e., some people prefer one order for test assertions, and other people
prefer the other. Is anyone actually right, or is this simply a matter
of preference? And if it is simply a matter of preference, then why
bother going through the pain of changing the current project standard?

Though I prefer the current, I can certainly live and adapt to a changed
standard, and I do not mind doing so if there is a good reason. But I've
yet to see any argument beyond "it is not what I like". Which to me
argues for the status quo as the path of least resistance.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-04 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-02  6:30 [PATCH 0/4] t: rev-parse-parents: cleanups Felipe Contreras
2013-09-02  6:30 ` [PATCH 1/4] t: rev-parse-parents: fix style Felipe Contreras
2013-09-02  6:30 ` [PATCH 2/4] t: rev-parse-parents: fix weird ! notation Felipe Contreras
2013-09-02  6:30 ` [PATCH 3/4] t: rev-parse-parents: avoid yoda conditions Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03  7:12   ` Jeff King
2013-09-03  7:51     ` SZEDER Gábor
2013-09-03  8:03       ` Jeff King
2013-09-03 10:45         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 11:10           ` SZEDER Gábor
2013-09-03 13:39             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 15:08               ` SZEDER Gábor
2013-09-03 17:04                 ` [PATCH 0/4] " Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 17:05                   ` [PATCH 1/4] rev-parse test: modernize quoting and whitespace Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 17:06                   ` [PATCH 2/4] rev-parse test: use test_must_fail, not "if <command>; then false; fi" Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 21:56                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 17:07                   ` [PATCH 3/4] rev-parse test: use test_cmp instead of "test" builtin Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 20:01                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04  4:28                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 22:01                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 17:11                   ` [PATCH 4/4] rev-parse test: use standard test functions for setup Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 17:15                     ` [PATCH v2 " Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-03 17:20                   ` [PATCH 0/4] Re: [PATCH 3/4] t: rev-parse-parents: avoid yoda conditions Jeff King
2013-09-03 21:53                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 16:47                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 17:13                     ` John Keeping
2013-09-04 17:38                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 18:36                         ` Jeff King [this message]
2013-09-04 19:14                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08  3:11                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  4:06                             ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  4:13                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  4:14                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  4:26                                 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08  4:52                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  5:02                                     ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 23:25                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 23:45                                         ` Jeff King
2013-09-09  0:45                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 18:33                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 23:18                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08  8:11                               ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-03 17:31               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 17:33                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 21:52                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-02  6:30 ` [PATCH 4/4] t: rev-parse-parents: simplify setup Felipe Contreras

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