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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>,
	d9ba@mailtor.net, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Harmful LESS flags
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:11:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140425151124.GA11479@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpqfvl1rj7i.fsf@anie.imag.fr>

Hi,

Matthieu Moy wrote:

> I am personally in favor of changing the default to drop the S. Silently
> hiding stuff from the user's eyes is really bad. With good coding
> standard and reasonable terminal size, it actually doesn't matter.

Just for clarity: no, when we are talking about well formatted code,
-S is actually a way better interface.

That's because indentation matters and makes it easy to take in code
structure at a glance, long lines that get cut off by the margin stick
out like a sore thumb already, and lines wrapped at an arbitrary
character are even more distracting to the point of being useless.

In practice I believe the "Silently hiding stuff" concern is much
harder to solve.  In the case of malicious code that opened this
thread, I think a marker on the right margin would reveal the
whitespace more clearly than wrapping that the reader may or may not
notice.

Luckily, it is very easy to switch between the two views on the fly
--- in an already-open "less" window, you just type '-' + 'S'.  In the
spirit of not overriding tool defaults when there is not a strong
reason to do so, I agree that if someone writes a patch to drop
the 'S' I would probably like it.

[...]
> I do not think we particularly need a transition plan here: it's purely
> a user-interface thing, not something that may break any script or other
> tool.

Agreed ---- a note in release notes and making sure the documentation
reflects the new default should be enough.

Thanks and hope that helps,
Jonathan

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-25 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-23 23:46 Harmful LESS flags d9ba
2014-04-24  0:11 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-28 21:38   ` Mark Nudelman
2014-04-24  5:06 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 19:02   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 19:21     ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 19:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 19:50         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 21:35         ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 21:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 22:02             ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 21:48           ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 22:13             ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 22:44               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 23:08                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-25  6:56     ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-25 15:11       ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2014-04-25 15:32         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-25 15:47           ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-28  8:34             ` [PATCH] PAGER_ENV: remove 'S' from $LESS by default Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28  8:43               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28  8:59                 ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28  9:14                   ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28 12:22                     ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28 16:24                       ` Jeff King
2014-04-28 18:48                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-29 12:29                           ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-29 17:01                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30  7:35                               ` [PATCH v2] pager: " Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 15:38                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 15:49                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 17:34                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-05 18:44                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-05-05 20:10                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-06 17:34                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-06 18:00                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-05-06 18:49                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-06 21:55                                           ` Jeff King
2014-05-07 17:07                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-07 17:54                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-07 20:42                                                 ` Junio C Hamano

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