From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff King Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git v2.0.0 Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20140529194517.GA16699@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <53866e8562b7a_12a7a052f87a@nysa.notmuch> <20140529185311.GB10865@sigill.intra.peff.net> <87tx88fkyt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: Felipe Contreras , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, git-fc@googlegroups.com To: David Kastrup X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu May 29 21:45:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wq6GX-0000kA-5m for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 29 May 2014 21:45:29 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933026AbaE2TpW (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 May 2014 15:45:22 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([50.56.180.127]:33656 "HELO peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932326AbaE2TpT (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 May 2014 15:45:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 17547 invoked by uid 102); 29 May 2014 19:45:19 -0000 Received: from c-71-63-4-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (71.63.4.13) (smtp-auth username relayok, mechanism cram-md5) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTPA; Thu, 29 May 2014 14:45:19 -0500 Received: by sigill.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 29 May 2014 15:45:17 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tx88fkyt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:23:06PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > I do not think Junio or anyone else has the technical ability to remove > > messages from the archive. > > You can post self-destructing messages by adding X-no-archive: yes if I > am not mistaken. But that only concerns stuff you post yourself. Right, I was thinking specifically of deleting somebody else's message. The other obvious choke point is to convince vger to silently drop messages from somebody, but: 1. That is different than deleting already-posted messages. 2. vger is maintained by kernel.org folks, none of whom is a regular on the git list. So it would involve some collusion with those admins. That is pretty clearly not what happened here (the messages did go out to the list). > Frankly, I find it weird that vger.kernel.org does not have an archive > of its own. I don't think there is much need, as gmane is pretty featureful (and if you disagree, there are other competitors, or you can set up your own). I assume the current situation grew organically (somebody wanted an archive, so they set it up, and then vger saw no need to compete). -Peff PS My gmane bug report posted here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/16175