From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD0B1F404 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727484AbeH2Irl (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:47:41 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([104.130.231.41]:60126 "HELO cloud.peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1727098AbeH2Irk (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:47:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 14463 invoked by uid 109); 29 Aug 2018 04:52:40 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:52:40 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 9998 invoked by uid 111); 29 Aug 2018 04:52:48 -0000 Received: from sigill.intra.peff.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.7) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) SMTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:52:47 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Received: by sigill.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:52:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:52:37 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: Derrick Stolee , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Contributor Summit planning Message-ID: <20180829045237.GA15274@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <20180813163108.GA6731@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20180813171535.GA8476@sigill.intra.peff.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Having said that, I believe that we core contributors can learn to have a > fruitful online meeting. With 30+ participants, too. > > Learning from my past life in academia (it is hard for me to imagine a > less disciplined crowd than a bunch of white, male, old scientists), we > would need a moderator, and some forum that allows to "give somebody the > mic". That software/platform should exist somewhere. Yes, I agree that software tools could help a lot with a crowd that size. I have used various "virtual classroom" tools before, and I think the core of the idea is there, but I was often unimpressed by the execution (and expense). So if you know of a good tool, it might be worth trying. > I would love to have the best of both worlds. For example, it is an annual > annoyance that we are discussion all kinds of things regarding Git, trying > to steer the direction, to form collaborations on certain features, and > the person at the helm is not even there. > > Maybe *two* meetings per year, one attached to GitMerge, and one purely > online, would help. I'm somewhat skeptical of the utility of an online meeting. That said, I'm willing give it a try (or any other scheme people want to come up with, for that matter). > Point in favor of the pure-online meeting: the informal standup on IRC > every second Friday. I really try to attend it (it is a bit awkward > because it is on a Friday evening in my timezone, right at the time when I > want to unwind from the work week), as it does have a similar effect to > in-person standups: surprising collaborations spring up, unexpected help, > and a general sense of belonging. Yes, I've been meaning to make it to another one (I popped in for one a month or two ago, and it didn't seem like much of anything was happening). What time is it, again? > Such an online summit as I suggested above would really only work if > enough frequent contributors would attend. If enough people like you, > Junio, and the standup regulars would say: yep, we're willing to plan and > attend an online summit, where we try to have a timezone-friendly > "unconference"-style meeting on one day (on which we would of course try > to free ourselves from our regular work obligations). > > I guess I am asking for a "raise your hands", with mine high up in the > air. I'll come if you want to organize it. -Peff