From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF521F404 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726858AbeH2I5I (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:57:08 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([104.130.231.41]:60146 "HELO cloud.peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1726188AbeH2I5I (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:57:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 14849 invoked by uid 109); 29 Aug 2018 05:02:05 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with SMTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:02:05 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 10127 invoked by uid 111); 29 Aug 2018 05:02:13 -0000 Received: from sigill.intra.peff.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.7) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) SMTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:02:13 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Received: by sigill.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:02:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:02:03 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , git@vger.kernel.org, Derrick Stolee , Junio C Hamano , =?utf-8?B?Tmd1eeG7hW4gVGjDoWkgTmfhu41j?= Duy Subject: Re: Contributor Summit planning Message-ID: <20180829050203.GC15274@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <20180813163108.GA6731@sigill.intra.peff.net> <87h8jyrtj6.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 12:49:55AM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > > * Re the second half of "Not everyone can travel or can afford to do > > so" from Derrick, there's been travel sponsorships in past years. > > Just to make sure that you understand: there are many more reasons than > just travel costs involved. Just to name a few: > > - visa issues. > > - some people have to take care of family members and are not at liberty > to leave for even so much as half a day. > > - conflicting schedules. > > - mental health. As a friend of mine once put it: nobody is completely > "healthy", we all suffer, on a spectrum, from anxiety, trauma, and other > issues. The more inclusive we are, the more we can benefit from > everybody's talents and contributions. > > Just saying. Money is sometimes not the solution. Thanks for bringing this up. It's very easy to forget that not everybody is in exactly the same situation. It's actually one of the things I worry _most_ about having an in-person meeting: that it ends up widening the gap between people whose employer is sponsoring their work on Git, and people who have to carve their Git time out of the rest of their busy lives. Your virtual meeting idea is obviously meant to help with that. But fundamentally I think allowing people to participate asynchronously is the most important part, and we need to make sure there's some kind of artifact summarizing any real-time meetings (for virtual stuff, recordings or IRC logs are probably fine; for the in-person one, I was very happy with the notes you took last year). -Peff