From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FAC1F428 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727441AbeH3HaD (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:30:03 -0400 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([104.130.231.41]:33434 "HELO cloud.peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1727195AbeH3HaD (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:30:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 2480 invoked by uid 109); 30 Aug 2018 03:30:02 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with SMTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:30:02 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 22089 invoked by uid 111); 30 Aug 2018 03:30:10 -0000 Received: from sigill.intra.peff.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.7) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) SMTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:30:10 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Received: by sigill.intra.peff.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:30:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:30:00 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Eric Wong Cc: Johannes Schindelin , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Thank you for public-inbox! Message-ID: <20180830033000.GD665@sigill.intra.peff.net> References: <20180829050745.GD15274@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20180829100243.GA28180@dcvr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180829100243.GA28180@dcvr> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:02:43AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote: > Jeff King wrote: > > I've thought about mirroring it to a public server as well, just for > > redundancy. But without the same domain, I'm not sure it would be all > > that useful as a community resource. > > I wouldn't get too attached to the domain, "public-inbox.org" is > too long for my tastes anyways. "peff.net/git/$MESSAGE_ID" > would actually be more user-friendly :> > > A generic Message-ID redirection/finding service would be good, > (maybe some DHT thing, but... has that taken off for git blobs, yet?) Yes, and I agree that the URL portability is one of the things I really love about public-inbox (after all, I do have my own archive and now I can follow people's public-inbox links into my very-fast local copy). I guess I just wonder if I set up a mirror on another domain, would anybody actually _use_ it? I'd think most people would just go to public-inbox.org as the de facto URL. > Anyways I hope to teach public-inbox to auto-linkify Message-ID-looking > strings "" into URLs for domain-portability, > (but it's ambiguous with email addresses). But yeah, I don't > like things being tied to domain names. That would be neat, but I think it actually makes references less useful in a lot of cases. URLs are universally understood, which means: - people who don't know about public-inbox can just follow the link (and in fact, that's how they learn how useful it is!) - even for people who do know about it, they are likely to read mails in their MUA. And most MUAs have some mechanism for easily following a URL, but won't know how to auto-linkify a message-id. So I too dream of a world where I can say "give me more information on this identifier" and my tools search a peer to peer distributed hash table for it. But I don't think we live in that world yet. At the very least, I think if we plan to reference without an http URL that we would use something like URI-ish, like . That gives tools a better chance to say "OK, I know how to find message-ids" (though I still think that it's much less helpful out of the box compared to an http URL). -Peff