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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Cc: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>,
	Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: clar unit testing framework FTBFS on uclibc systems (wchar_t unsupported)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:51:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241018045155.GC2408674@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZxGN9zzt55GcL4Qj@tapette.crustytoothpaste.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 10:21:43PM +0000, brian m. carlson wrote:

> > We unconditionally include <wchar.h>, and your system does not seem to
> > have support for it built in. So why doesn't the `#error` trigger? It's
> > also not like this is a recent error, it has been added with 581deed72
> > (The obligatory forgotten files..., 2002-05-06).
> > 
> > We can do something like the below patch in clar, but I'd first like to
> > understand why your platform seems to be broken in such a way.
> 
> Yeah, this is definitely broken.  We require ISO C99, and according to
> the draft preceding the ratification[0], `wchar.h` and its contents are not
> optional.  The similar draft for C11 also doesn't appear to make these
> optional.
> 
> I think users of uclibc will need to compile it with full ISO C99
> support.  I expect that a wide variety of other software will be
> similarly broken without that.

Perhaps, but...don't the current releases of Git work just fine on such
a wchar-less uclibc system now? We don't use wchar or include wchar.h
ourselves, except on Windows or via compat/regex (though it is even
conditional there). This is a new portability problem introduced by the
clar test harness. And even there I doubt it is something we care about
(it looks like it's for allowing "%ls" in assertions).

Our approach to portability has traditionally been a cost/benefit for
individual features. Standards are a nice guideline, but the real world
does not always follow them. Sometimes accommodating platforms that
don't strictly follow the standard is cheap enough that it's worth
doing.

I think more recent discussions have trended to looking at standards in
a bit stronger way: giving minimum requirements and sticking to them.
Certainly I'm sympathetic to that viewpoint, as it can reduce noise.

But IMHO this is a good example of where the flexibility of the first
approach shines. We could accommodate this platform without any real
cost (and indeed, we should be able to _drop_ some clar code).

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-18  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-17  3:51 clar unit testing framework FTBFS on uclibc systems (wchar_t unsupported) Bagas Sanjaya
2024-10-17 13:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-17 13:54   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-17 20:08     ` Taylor Blau
2024-10-17 22:21     ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-18  4:51       ` Jeff King [this message]
2024-10-18  4:59         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-18  5:24           ` Jeff King
2024-10-18  5:31             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-18 20:50               ` Taylor Blau
2024-10-21  6:44                 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-10-21 19:30                   ` Jeff King
2024-10-21 19:41                     ` Taylor Blau
2024-10-18 20:07         ` brian m. carlson
2024-10-21 19:19           ` Jeff King
2024-10-21 19:31             ` Jeff King
2024-10-18 13:49     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2024-10-21  6:44       ` Patrick Steinhardt

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