From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cloud.peff.net (cloud.peff.net [104.130.231.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 141261917FB for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2025 21:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=104.130.231.41 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756935861; cv=none; b=gaMuHPQoB0nTvfHtHF7N/lmtbG3yKPUx1bRG8WJ2AUrYeHfWw8+dQTLcukiqRFnq8OzR+dmHeStBvpNGpqC33fkhMyrTKs0dd5rf9UO9Ybbc/wQaAmMAWZPPgHFaz4ClogFfR9OTuVYkJzbDjb/y8GSjI3iyGiRV/H/cTcZHQdk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756935861; c=relaxed/simple; bh=6gzV1IGPJTcFnIuOqemY2fVuZV0hm67+I/Wz65a6Deo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=YvUGEAZ5lvU5SOXG3x2DT4o54CNkyjwGPMujKgj8nDQtbMvZ0N2IxayFuxHwjOa7qVVoOVORe0A7NrY8cJuvD+qtJD3dwmNgT0cYjoUTjld1NbHKQxrp9G1SJ+4ToSZqkMwLRKUBcGbesrtdUtic4GgRGg3Qo7nxsQhTjX/EMIw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=peff.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=peff.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=peff.net header.i=@peff.net header.b=ByAZiFAy; arc=none smtp.client-ip=104.130.231.41 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=peff.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=peff.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=peff.net header.i=@peff.net header.b="ByAZiFAy" Received: (qmail 196357 invoked by uid 109); 3 Sep 2025 21:44:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=peff.net; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=20240930; bh=6gzV1IGPJTcFnIuOqemY2fVuZV0hm67+I/Wz65a6Deo=; b=ByAZiFAywv+nW8GZLF+fE01AGG6jJJKqPdImhf5ymCutxB8zWRjfUQLWvs6W/7nYolNcAfCFIjrOzzD0TwKJDHKXbh0U2+FTjmucEIc91gJKJ7U7KGsyQn6ZIRld1BpYt1LXzzdO871w59H6c+ZhgIY2YL3SguKiW7GO5ZMXvXPkEbOChRH3Ivr936gQNH1X/npmmGEAKEiYVwbJkkMi0B7a3V/ILG4mDivBF22JnaCIhu08UZaj8ckImsusuItIpYgxPSVPp7OumIYtGgx3t4Be1mt4c4DcthR0mEXFhtQxApFOOUAuNJQlAPwW0RylbLiq1ApBDH6r45uM2Nd2og== Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2025 21:44:17 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 348013 invoked by uid 111); 3 Sep 2025 21:44:16 -0000 Received: from coredump.intra.peff.net (HELO coredump.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.2) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 03 Sep 2025 17:44:16 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 17:44:15 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Eric Sunshine Cc: Kristoffer Haugsbakk , Junio C Hamano , Kristoffer Haugsbakk , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] usage: help the user help themselves Message-ID: <20250903214415.GA1915988@coredump.intra.peff.net> References: <9611573e-fb0b-49d5-933a-50d8e0603701@app.fastmail.com> <15bb8d07-675b-4ccd-8345-ab5861319faf@app.fastmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 05:21:47PM -0400, Eric Sunshine wrote: > > I've seen "troubleshooting" questions from git users > > who got one of those long and well-described Hints > > like e.g. detached head and default git init branch > > when either the msg already spelled eveything out > > or the msg was purely informational. > > I didn't spell it out above, but what I had in mind was something very > simple... not at all ong and detailed; for instance: > > For interactive use, define a Git alias `git whatchanged` > which runs `git log --raw --no-merges`. I think that is good advice, but... it won't do anything until we actually drop the whatchanged command, since until then we'll refuse to override the command (even the crippled --i-still-use-this one). We'd need something like the patch here: https://lore.kernel.org/git/20250830022718.GB567900@coredump.intra.peff.net/ -Peff