From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from cloud.peff.net (cloud.peff.net [104.130.231.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E831D19539F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2025 13:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=104.130.231.41 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757077923; cv=none; b=MUkJf0QwvtOWk0cEScbW2RCkTPfjAP7gWZeRH0/ghDjlisCeIOE5879+Tsi+hHopfKQXGDZC0d7+3Gjbpshq21/CSJij4Gp6LGx6JbTmIOd811L9IUHUyFjDDDyclc6sjZumgk6BehhSsa6gBcyCAWNJ8IDBOpMdIz0H+ZGTpuo= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1757077923; c=relaxed/simple; bh=vn/Sk6RV8gofyAhMKE6flBUtupGzrYcZXuJfhbSSPjw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=ZRXP/A5KsVOabWavHbaugBgb1B/weAHwUZW3Z0YBAxZu/YCFLv6w7+pbDbPKs9jcYR1N+4fzphS30PvySR9Hx02rMssmqs0gVjhKIb9PK1zsfFra4BAfflkM58E/wqEwmI+6Os3Xc7ySeDqDEJG7FWnv+VLTJEP69rxAW1p2fJo= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=peff.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=peff.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=peff.net header.i=@peff.net header.b=Ysw8FJjx; arc=none smtp.client-ip=104.130.231.41 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=peff.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=peff.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=peff.net header.i=@peff.net header.b="Ysw8FJjx" Received: (qmail 217339 invoked by uid 109); 5 Sep 2025 13:11:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=peff.net; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=20240930; bh=vn/Sk6RV8gofyAhMKE6flBUtupGzrYcZXuJfhbSSPjw=; b=Ysw8FJjxEbeJLcVk1gYlrZFoIFOa0rQ5x0GtsK3mpIRm4W4lwz2ZtakP7FMA6baFABGVdG0sa9nWILPv3wvW7qM5/0mtG/cAnU3++3C30K13uWcMSdNxAkJgh6vBYaW23xMiCz+1F4zUY65LaoPvLk+DYku96GOkr/Jk0AZ7CEyXbwTa2nhPD/Q0im3kJF+btmN75SYrtfBHHRb40zJ0bF4NSN95HWzHOu5KkFh3OgnSPIHiCcTnOdy2ts90ZGovSqXe0QBs6Q0agW2fk4Zm6tmtcHmSTsYpKiCnsjlhWvNlCVKR/Yee/Ye55z0XDgnKFEr5UzfaZLcaboH1B9NCzQ== Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 13:11:59 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 374566 invoked by uid 111); 5 Sep 2025 13:11:59 -0000 Received: from coredump.intra.peff.net (HELO coredump.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.2) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPS; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 09:11:59 -0400 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 09:11:58 -0400 From: Jeff King To: Eric Sunshine Cc: Kristoffer Haugsbakk , Junio C Hamano , Kristoffer Haugsbakk , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] usage: help the user help themselves Message-ID: <20250905131158.GA596956@coredump.intra.peff.net> References: <9611573e-fb0b-49d5-933a-50d8e0603701@app.fastmail.com> <15bb8d07-675b-4ccd-8345-ab5861319faf@app.fastmail.com> <20250903214415.GA1915988@coredump.intra.peff.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 06:11:30PM -0400, Eric Sunshine wrote: > > > I didn't spell it out above, but what I had in mind was something very > > > simple... not at all ong and detailed; for instance: > > > > > > For interactive use, define a Git alias `git whatchanged` > > > which runs `git log --raw --no-merges`. > > > > I think that is good advice, but... it won't do anything until we > > actually drop the whatchanged command, since until then we'll refuse to > > override the command (even the crippled --i-still-use-this one). > > > > We'd need something like the patch here: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/git/20250830022718.GB567900@coredump.intra.peff.net/ > > Indeed. I saw your patch in the other thread and had it in mind when > composing my earlier email, even though I didn't specifically mention > it (though I probably should have) since I was more focused on raising > the point that -- given the recent spate of muscle-memory / > mnemonic-value argument emails -- the existing hints in Kristoffer's > patch series may be insufficient to quell future emails. Heh, I should have figured. I didn't see any response in that thread, so this was my attempt to pawn it off on folks who are more interested in the topic (and working on the advice half). ;) -Peff