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From: avih <avihpit@yahoo.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Avi Halachmi via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	 "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	 "git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:08:03 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2104161937.2499137.1721840883913@mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq7cdazu4a.fsf@gitster.g>

 On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 06:29:12 PM GMT+3, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> It is a bit more nuanced than that, though.  Here is what we say:
>
> - Even though "local" is not part of POSIX, we make heavy use of it
>   in our test suite.  We do not use it in scripted Porcelains, and
>   hopefully nobody starts using "local" before all shells that matter
>   support it (notably, ksh from AT&T Research does not support it yet).
>
> For the purpose of git-prompt, I think it should be OK ...
> to declare that we now support shells
> other than bash and zsh as long as they are reasonably POSIX and
> support "local" that is dynamic.

I have to admit I missed "in our test suite".
Right, so no "local" in Porcelains, but yes in the test suite.

But yes, agreed, because it supports so many more shells.
The commit "git-prompt: ta-da! document.." does document it.

> (without
> "local", it is harder, if not impossible, to clobber end-user's
> shell variable namespace with various temporaries we need to use
> during prompt computation)

It actually is technically possible with git-prompt.sh, with 1 LOC.
See the "anecdote" at end of the same "ta-da!" commit message which
does exactly that. Though for obvious reason we can't really do that.

> Do we know what kind of "local" is ksh93 adding?  The same as their
> "typeset" that is not dynamic?  That is so different from what others
> do and scripts expect to be all that useful, I am afraid.

I would think it has to be similar enough to other shells, or else it
creates a compatibility nightmare IMO. But that's a guess.

Somewhat off topic, so apologies if this shouldn't be here:

As for the Porcelains, I have to assume that it can be unpleasant
to maintain big scripts without "local". Would there be an interest
in adding a facility with the same semantics as "local", but posix
compliant (and also posix-ish shells), for use in Porcelains?

It's not a drop-in replacement, but the syntax is reasonable IMO:

    locals myfunc x y
    _myfunc () {
        echo "$? $1 $2"
        x=1 y=2
        return 33
    }

    x=x; unset y
    (exit 42) || myfunc foo bar
    echo "$? $x ${y-unset}"

Prints:
    42 foo bar
    33 x unset

"locals myfunc x y" creates a wrapper function "myfunc" which saves
the state of $x and $y, calls _myfunc "$@", then restores the state
(and propagates the initial and final $? appropriately). Recursion is
supported, the wrapper doesn't create additional variables, and no
subshells are used at the wrapper (also not at "locals").

The implementation of "locals" is small (10-20 LOC), but we can't
expect scripts to embed it, so it would need to be sourced (dot).

If there is interest in such thing, let me know, and I can submit
a patch (independent of this patchset) to adds such file which
can then be sourced by other scripts in order to use "locals".

Unrelated, and it might not mean much, but I did want to thank you
for maintaining git all those years.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-24 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-23 19:18 [PATCH 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells Avi Halachmi via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 1/8] git-prompt: use here-doc instead of here-string Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 2/8] git-prompt: fix uninitialized variable Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 3/8] git-prompt: don't use shell arrays Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 4/8] git-prompt: replace [[...]] with standard code Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 5/8] git-prompt: add some missing quotes Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:40   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-07-24  0:47     ` avih
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 6/8] git-prompt: add fallback for shells without $'...' Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 20:25   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-07-24  2:08     ` avih
2024-07-25 11:27       ` avih
2024-07-25 13:28         ` avih
2024-07-25 16:24           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-07-25 20:03             ` avih
2024-07-25 16:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-14 18:09     ` avih
2024-08-14 19:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-15  4:17         ` avih
2024-08-15 12:44           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 7/8] git-prompt: ta-da! document usage in other shells Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 19:18 ` [PATCH 8/8] git-prompt: support custom 0-width PS1 markers Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-07-23 22:50 ` [PATCH 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells brian m. carlson
2024-07-24  2:41   ` avih
2024-07-24 15:29     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-07-24 17:08       ` avih [this message]
2024-07-24 17:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-15 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells v2 Avi Halachmi via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] git-prompt: use here-doc instead of here-string Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-16  8:50     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-16  9:37       ` avih
2024-08-16 10:52         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] git-prompt: fix uninitialized variable Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] git-prompt: don't use shell arrays Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-16  8:50     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-16  9:53       ` avih
2024-08-16 10:52         ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-16 11:35           ` avih
2024-08-16 12:38             ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] git-prompt: replace [[...]] with standard code Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 16:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-16 10:36       ` avih
2024-08-16 16:42         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] git-prompt: add some missing quotes Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 16:36     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-15 17:35       ` avih
2024-08-15 19:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-15 19:53           ` avih
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] git-prompt: don't use shell $'...' Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] git-prompt: ta-da! document usage in other shells Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-16  8:50     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-16  9:59       ` avih
2024-08-15 13:14   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] git-prompt: support custom 0-width PS1 markers Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-15 18:48   ` [PATCH v2 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells v2 Junio C Hamano
2024-08-16  8:50     ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-08-17  9:25   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells v3 Avi Halachmi via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] git-prompt: use here-doc instead of here-string Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] git-prompt: fix uninitialized variable Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] git-prompt: don't use shell arrays Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] git-prompt: replace [[...]] with standard code Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] git-prompt: add some missing quotes Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:38       ` Eric Sunshine
2024-08-17 10:07         ` avih
2024-08-17 16:28           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-08-17 18:02             ` avih
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] git-prompt: don't use shell $'...' Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:25     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] git-prompt: ta-da! document usage in other shells Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-17  9:26     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] git-prompt: support custom 0-width PS1 markers Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells v4 Avi Halachmi via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] git-prompt: use here-doc instead of here-string Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] git-prompt: fix uninitialized variable Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] git-prompt: don't use shell arrays Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] git-prompt: replace [[...]] with standard code Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] git-prompt: add some missing quotes Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] git-prompt: don't use shell $'...' Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] git-prompt: ta-da! document usage in other shells Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20  1:48       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] git-prompt: support custom 0-width PS1 markers Avi Halachmi (:avih) via GitGitGadget
2024-08-20 15:32       ` [PATCH v4 0/8] git-prompt: support more shells v4 Junio C Hamano
2024-08-20 15:47         ` avih
2024-08-28 19:54           ` avih

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