From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE0EC433F5 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S244868AbiDNRFp (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:05:45 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54578 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S244475AbiDNRFd (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:05:33 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C7563F3 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id v15so7070415edb.12 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kEhGuttfl/OGbH39jARrGWI+sJtuB9oNoJel8VDoi+s=; b=hyt7+apsYfabVqvtCIn1jMHESUlCDzKA0mAlj7KZIjPuex/+/v5+6huHQ2IajRCr43 29+8ullr61MEdF7d8xRsvQ7OqM8YCX/Djyra/vUoENG1czl047wAvOFaYlwMd0dERNVm 3z4+yoC01TfBwUjftsSFludeUUHE1EMZqIE+DTBOKrB1XKCW/sF6pmvTMEivduTHLVGv vUtdWpo2WQBXRk7FwWfBOW/jrgZMpq9X99h8uapCM4aZZD+vEXvyjP95VApdX4E/5fyr 5LIhOmpitWontzrnrlQyyBszhcPCHFCpGyOwZXJUN1H8cyrQW7NgKeCagLAoIh8GFHmb enNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:references:user-agent :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kEhGuttfl/OGbH39jARrGWI+sJtuB9oNoJel8VDoi+s=; b=fSn4gpOe84Nd5SGsQqGnxw8/vaCWaJ8RX1d7bimEvWhOw8yPc+eLpMBWHIC79yMja8 y823ln24VsbfOnvMbN9btq/sfQhdE1S2Y4xISAvICRRERX5VB6Z2ZYJqBUfl7q4fXLer 07jG5+9kBhctXfWmhP3xBMIJKlkZMdVrowhxni9aHuzYdeqgAo0hCnbPlAbUrp0JhH+2 3a6J1rIDnd0dfzAvMA5k4mNM7TK4Il/RdgmG+urjriD9kZg5NsUinYKwSjvJj3tyAmmS 90wUUxBkxuJgSugZtGyFUfCKrVu9yb7nhfrOVjAHn8CwY/3FWCWcZZ4AxgKsv4U86SSJ J1DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530At0XubtFkM8tv339EQwGgFKv95iAx0/R/x29pcHelny18MxN9 bOTHmFn0hRUCmy8+CwOTNUQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwNv7GSrLwtfV5V7vqPLXJsdpRuITLhhlYdsd1VP9gLIPfcRj1keQs/+1QGob6nhq13RltPtg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1e90:b0:419:4cdc:8b05 with SMTP id f16-20020a0564021e9000b004194cdc8b05mr3985278edf.211.1649954749814; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmgdl (j120189.upc-j.chello.nl. [24.132.120.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r3-20020aa7d583000000b00420a8b66566sm1240209edq.97.2022.04.14.09.45.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 09:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avar by gmgdl with local (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1nf2bL-005UnT-DH; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:45:47 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Theodore Ts'o Cc: Tao Klerks , Michal =?utf-8?Q?Such=C3=A1nek?= , rsbecker@nexbridge.com, "brian m. carlson" , jurgen_gjoncari@icloud.com, git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Make commit messages optional Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:43:10 +0200 References: <7ED89912-2E10-4356-9C61-14B90EC0719C@icloud.com> <00ca01d84ba0$dd7ee0c0$987ca240$@nexbridge.com> <20220409113244.GX163591@kunlun.suse.cz> <220411.861qy3khkk.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220411.86k0bvidja.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.7.12 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <220414.86czhjd35w.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Apr 14 2022, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:10:23PM +0200, =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bj= armason wrote: >>=20 >> We could add configuration or whatever, but the topic of this thread is >> whether we should change the *default*. I think it's better to stick to >> that. > > I would have thought it was painfully obvious that changing the > *default* is a ***terrible*** idea? > > Is anyone other than the OP seriously promoting changing the default? Urm, yeah? I am, in the E-Mail upthread that replied to. The OP here is jurgen_gjoncari@icloud.com. > If someone wants to do something terrible to their own development > workflow (or if it actually makes sense for their workflow) we could > add some configuration, but if the question is changing the default, > my ppersonal opinion is, "Heck, no!" I think you're almost certainly correct that there's worthwhile things we can catch with the current default. I just suspect that we can do so much more effectively and encourage more effectivey workflows by doing so at the point of propagation, not commit.