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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Victoria Dye <vdye@github.com>
Cc: Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] tests: add test_todo() to mark known breakages
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2022 13:08:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <221207.86cz8v9zsl.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07d963f0-45f2-ed8e-ea08-bcea14386a4d@github.com>


On Tue, Dec 06 2022, Victoria Dye wrote:

> Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget wrote:
>> From: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>
>> 
>> test_todo() is intended as a fine grained replacement for
>> test_expect_failure(). Rather than marking the whole test as failing
>> test_todo() is used to mark individual failing commands within a
>> test. This approach to writing failing tests allows us to detect
>> unexpected failures that are hidden by test_expect_failure().
>
> I love this idea! I've nearly been burned a couple of times by the wrong
> line in a 'test_expect_failure' triggering the error (e.g., due to bad
> syntax earlier in the test). The added specificity of 'test_todo' will help
> both reviewers and people fixing the underlying issues demonstrated by
> expected-failing tests.
>
>> 
>> Failing commands are reported by the test harness in the same way as
>> test_expect_failure() so there is no change in output when migrating
>> from test_expect_failure() to test_todo(). If a command marked with
>> test_todo() succeeds then the test will fail. This is designed to make
>> it easier to see when a command starts succeeding in our CI compared
>> to using test_expect_failure() where it is easy to fix a failing test
>> case and not realize it.
>> 
>> test_todo() is built upon test_expect_failure() but accepts commands
>> starting with test_* in addition to git. As our test_* assertions use
>> BUG() to signal usage errors any such error will not be hidden by
>> test_todo().
>
> Should this be so restrictive? I think 'test_todo' would need to handle any
> arbitrary command (mostly because of custom functions like
> 'ensure_not_expanded' in 't1092') to be an easy-to-use drop-in replacement
> for 'test_expect_failure'. 
>
> I see there's some related discussion in another subthread [1], but I don't
> necessarily think removing restrictions (i.e. that the tested command must
> be 'git', 'test_*', etc.) on 'test_todo' requires doing the same for
> 'test_must_fail' et al. to be internally consistent. On one hand,
> 'test_todo' could be interpreted as an assertion (like 'test_must_fail'),
> where we only want to assert on our code - hence the restrictions. From that
> perspective, it would make sense to ease restrictions uniformly on all of
> our assertion helpers. 
>
> On the other hand, I'm interpreting 'test_todo' as
> 'test_expect_failure_on_line_N' - more of a "post-test result interpreter"
> than an assertion helper. So because 'test_expect_failure' doesn't require
> the failing line to come from a particular command, I don't think
> 'test_todo' needs to either. That leaves assertion helpers like
> 'test_must_fail' out of the scope of this change, avoiding any hairiness of
> allowing them to assert on arbitrary code.
>
> What do you think?

Are you saying that for the "test_todo" we shouldn't care whether it
exits with a "normal" non-zero or a segfault, abort() (e.g. BUG()) etc?
That's what the "test_must_fail" v.s. "!" is about.

Even if we erased tat distinction I think such a thing would be a
marginal improvement on "test_expect_failure", as we'd at least mark
what line fails, but like "test_expect_failure" we'd accept segfaults as
failures.

but as noted in the upthread discussions I think we should do better and
still check for segfaults etc. I think we have a couple of
"test_expect_failure" now where we expect a segfault, but for the rest
we'd like to know if they start segfaulting.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-06 15:01 [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] tests: add test_todo() for known failures Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget
2022-10-06 15:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] tests: add test_todo() to mark known breakages Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget
2022-10-06 15:36   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-06 16:10     ` Phillip Wood
2022-10-06 20:33       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-06 22:37   ` Victoria Dye
2022-12-07 12:08     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2022-12-08 15:06     ` Phillip Wood
2022-12-09  1:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-09  9:04         ` Phillip Wood
2022-10-06 15:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] [RFC] test_todo: allow [!] grep as the command Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget
2022-10-06 15:56   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-06 16:42     ` Phillip Wood
2022-10-06 20:26       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-06 15:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] [RFC] test_todo: allow [verbose] test " Phillip Wood via GitGitGadget
2022-10-06 16:02   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-06 17:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] tests: add test_todo() for known failures Junio C Hamano
2022-10-06 19:28 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-10-07 13:26   ` Phillip Wood
2022-10-07 17:08     ` Junio C Hamano

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