From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sascha Cunz Subject: Re: Message from 'git-rebase'; German translation Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:41:55 +0200 Message-ID: <224751243.JXpXFWu6vV@blacky> References: <1527028.GPe6zkelBV@blacky> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" , Thomas Rast , Jan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kr=FCger?= , Christian Stimming To: Ralf Thielow X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Sep 23 17:42:07 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TFoJn-0005ED-DJ for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:42:03 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754183Ab2IWPlz convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:41:55 -0400 Received: from babbelbox.org ([83.133.105.186]:54596 "EHLO mail.babbelbox.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754008Ab2IWPly convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:41:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 20092 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2012 15:42:27 -0000 Received: from p54aecaae.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO blacky.localnet) (sascha@babbelbox.org@84.174.202.174) by babbelbox.org with ESMTPA; 23 Sep 2012 15:42:27 -0000 User-Agent: KMail/4.9.1 (Linux/3.5.3-gentoo; KDE/4.9.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Am Sonntag, 23. September 2012, 17:04:15 schrieb Ralf Thielow: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Sascha Cunz =20 wrote: > > As I know how hard translations can be, esp. with that much technic= al > > terms > > inside, I'm usually expecting _not_ to yield the same result when > > translating a software's translation back to English. >=20 > Yeah, I think the goal is not making translations which are looking n= early > the same when somebody translates them back to English in the first p= lace. Exactly. The meaning is more important then the exact wording. Please c= onsider=20 this: Es wurden Neuaufbau- / Zusammenf=FChrungs-Informationen gefunden. Falls ein Neuaufbau bereits im Gange ist, versuche bitte: git rebase (--continue | --abort | --skip) Sollte dies nicht der Fall sein, k=F6nnen die Informationen durch rm -fr "$(GIT_DIR)/rebase-merge" entfernt werden. Es wird angehalten, falls etwas Sch=FCtzenswertes gefunden werden sollte. It sounds way cleaner (to me at least) and transports all of the meanin= g. Esp.=20 for the last sentence, it's very hard to find something in German that= =20 doesn't sound 'destructive'. Btw: In the past I've seen quite a few topics on translation on this li= st - is=20 this at all the right place for that kind of discussion? Sascha > > However, git-rebase just threw these two sentences at me (And thoug= h i > > know > > their meaning, i couldn't get the meaning from the message, it gave= ). Both > > are in context of starting a rebase while one is already in progres= s. > >=20 > > first is: > >=20 > > Original: > > ... and I wonder if you are in the middle of another rebase. > >=20 > > German git translation: > > ... und es w=E4re verwunderlich, wenn ein Neuaufbau bereits im Gang= e ist. > >=20 > > And a re-translation back to English from my understanding as nativ= e > > German > > speaker: > > ... and it would be astonishing (=3Di'd be surprised), if a rebase = was > > already in progress. >=20 > We try to avoid translating terms like "I wonder if.." and similar as > "ich wundere mich", because it's very unusual in German messages > of computer programs. Translators should have the freedom to reword > terms a bit to make a more optimal translation, but the meaning must > not be lost, and I can't say that this is the case. > Translate the term "in the middle of" word-by-word would result in > "in der Mitte eines", which can be interpreted as a place somewhere > or that an action is in progress. To avoid a possible confusion, we > decided to translate this term as "im Gange sein" ("be in progress") = in > the whole translation. I also think that "in der Mitte einer Zusammen= f=FChrung > sein" doesn't sound really good. It tends to mean a place, not an act= ion. > > And second: > >=20 > > Original: > > I am stopping in case you still have something valuable there. > >=20 > > German git translation: > > Es wird angehalten, falls bereits etwas N=FCtzliches vorhanden ist. > >=20 > > I wanted to point out that "etwas N=FCtzliches" is more "something = useful" > > that "something valuable". But the more I thought about it, the mor= e it > > started to > I've been thinking about possible different translations, and the onl= y > one I have in > mind is "wertvoll". But translating "valuable" as "wertvoll" ("bereit= s > etwas Wertvolles > vorhanden") sounds a bit like "we've found a treasure", instead of > something which > has a value in the meaning of content. I think having a translation > which is more > like "useful" than "valuable" does also hit the point of the message, > doesn't it? >=20 > > confuse me (even the original text) - and now I feel like I don't > > understand the meaning of the last sentence at all; neither in Engl= ish > > nor in the German translation: > > After removing the directory with all rebase-information inside it,= WHERE > > should something valuable still be left over? Is it referring to my > > working > > tree? >=20 > Yeah, I think it means the working tree and/or the index which would = make > sense. >=20 > Ralf > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html