From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (lindbergh.monkeyblade.net [23.128.96.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E027B18E1B for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=manjaro.org header.i=@manjaro.org header.b="Km3LJMgj" Received: from mail.manjaro.org (mail.manjaro.org [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c0c:51f3::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A520E10F5 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=manjaro.org; s=2021; t=1698095958; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=+NxvxLeaO95OH5aSSO4qZD641fbm9DbVoDavPoglO/c=; b=Km3LJMgjs0nvEi3YdI6knLpmjJ3II6YB6bDzQD2YrC73gJPrAGXuj9OUmakvrmS9J8BbBi KNCaif0d0f9+2cAy+jpYQP/YPcP7ERlbB/T/qphwF/SRQQ0iJfylTH19t7gQ7NbFVNGQJf ZHo5GR7wjaj7xhdsFZuQhbqdBu22qmoPCHOBYWJkI4QM6ceuYFx0Zrt3OIYc6XiKRp2c3r 7NpXfcQaZZZ2YlnCtkDesuDgO+zNQlNG/NRD5wrxqQnBvnVmp0LhVuCcsAbEP/tjOnLYnP i8ktxs2DW6l3F9uH96vQtI4AuNrsXgL7sWZ/z70z5WInzecW225xJR/ONDKY4g== Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 23:19:18 +0200 From: Dragan Simic To: Oswald Buddenhagen Cc: Jacob Stopak , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce -t, --table for status/add commands In-Reply-To: References: <5fac8607a3c270e06fd610551d7403c7@manjaro.org> <58a6a25a7b2eb82c21d9b87143033cef@manjaro.org> Message-ID: <2d392c7a7a00bd2c66efb17a2dbc86d7@manjaro.org> X-Sender: dsimic@manjaro.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: ORIGINATING; auth=pass smtp.auth=dsimic@manjaro.org smtp.mailfrom=dsimic@manjaro.org On 2023-10-23 23:14, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 10:51:31PM +0200, Dragan Simic wrote: >> The hint should be about how to turn the tables and verbosity on, not >> how to get rid of it. > > but that's just backwards. a noob shouldn't be bothered with putting > the tool into noob-friendly mode, neither actually nor "just" > psychologically. switching to "expert" mode should be the conscious > effort. and making it opt-in wouldn't even save the experts any > annoyance, as they need to opt out from the hint anyway. Let's focus on non-noobs as well, which could go nuts by having some strange tables displayed after updating git. For the beginners, having something configured is already inevitable, e.g. their credentials, so they could also turn on the tables if they wanted so.