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From: "René Scharfe" <l.s.r@web.de>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Rikl" <trikl@online.de>,
	"Thomas Gummerer" <t.gummerer@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Alt. PATCH] ls-remote: deprecate -h as short for --heads
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 12:14:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <437f4e47-fcb1-ff8c-3c5a-fa9a5cecedfe@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq7evqidp3.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>

Am 20.10.2017 um 07:35 schrieb Junio C Hamano:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
>> <shrug> It seems weird and inconsistent to me that the meaning of "-h"
>> depends on the position and presence of other unrelated options.

The position is relevant with parse-options for *each* flag for a
different reason as well: You can't put a flag after a non-flag.  I
find that more annoying, as it slightly but noticeable slows down
adding a flag to a previous command by requiring to navigate to the
middle of the line.

(I guess I should train myself to use Meta-b for going back one word
more often..)

> I may be biased as every time I think about this one, the first one
> that comes to my mind is how "grep -h" (not "git grep", but GNU
> grep) behaves.  Yes, "-h" means something else, but by itself, the
> command does not make sense, and "ls-remote -h" is an exception to
> the rule: most sane commands do not have a sensible semantics when
> they take only "-h" and nothing else.  And even for ls-remote it is
> true only when you try to be extra lazy and do not say which remote
> you are asking.
> 
> And that is why I think "'cmd -h" and nothing else consistently
> gives help" may overall be positive in usability, than a rule that
> says "'cmd -h' is for short-help unless -h means something else for
> the command".

FWIW, I use "-?" for that everywhere.  I have yet to find a command or
environment where it does something dangerous.

René

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-21 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-15 10:02 Bug: git ls-remote -h / --head results differ in output Thomas Rikl
2017-10-15 11:08 ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-15 13:26   ` René Scharfe
2017-10-17 15:39     ` [PATCH 1/2] git: add NO_INTERNAL_HELP flag for builtins René Scharfe
2017-10-17 17:39       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-17 15:39     ` [PATCH 2/2] ls-remote: use PARSE_OPT_NO_INTERNAL_HELP René Scharfe
2017-10-17 17:42       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-17 17:42       ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-17 15:39     ` [Alt. PATCH] ls-remote: deprecate -h as short for --heads René Scharfe
2017-10-17 17:40       ` Martin Ågren
2017-10-17 17:43       ` Jonathan Nieder
2017-10-17 23:22       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-19 18:26         ` René Scharfe
2017-10-19 20:32           ` Jeff King
2017-10-20  1:04             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-20  3:05               ` Jeff King
2017-10-20  5:35                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-21  7:16                   ` Jeff King
2017-10-21 10:14                   ` René Scharfe [this message]
2017-10-21 12:18                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-23 15:05                       ` René Scharfe
2017-10-24  0:52                         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-10-24 18:26                           ` René Scharfe

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