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From: Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>
To: Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>
Cc: Markus Schiltknecht <markus@bluegap.ch>,
	Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	monotone-devel@nongnu.org, dev@cvs2svn.tigris.org
Subject: Re: cvs import
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:17:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4508D7DA.8000302@alum.mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46a038f90609131416s1a53b53xd12c3661140fec7a@mail.gmail.com>

Martin Langhoff wrote:
> On 9/14/06, Markus Schiltknecht <markus@bluegap.ch> wrote:
>> Martin Langhoff wrote:
>> > On 9/14/06, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Let's copy the git list too and maybe we can come up with one importer
>> >> for everyone.
>> >
>> > It's a really good idea. cvsps has been for a while a (limited, buggy)
>> > attempt at that. One thing that bothers me in the cvs2svn algorithm is
>> > that is not stable in its decisions about where the branching point is
>> > -- run the import twice at different times and it may tell you that
>> > the branching point has moved.
>>
>> Huh? Really? Why is that? I don't see reasons for such a thing happening
>> when studying the algorithm.
>>
>> For sure the proposed dependency-resolving algorithm which does not rely
>> on timestamps does not have that problem.
> 
> IIRC, it places branch tags as late as possible. I haven't looked at
> it in detail, but an import immediately after the first commit against
> the branch may yield a different branchpoint from the same import done
> a bit later.

This is correct.  And IMO it makes sense from the standpoint of an
all-at-once conversion.

But I was under the impression that this wouldn't matter for
content-indexed-based SCMs.  The content of all possible branching
points is identical, and therefore from your point of view the topology
should be the same, no?

But aside from this point, I think an intrinsic part of implementing
incremental conversion is "convert the subsequent changes to the CVS
repository *subject to the constraints* imposed by decisions made in
earlier conversion runs.  And the real trick is that things can be done
in CVS (e.g., line-end changes, manual copying of files in the repo)
that (a) are unversioned and (b) have retroactive effects that go
arbitrarily far back in time.  This is the reason that I am pessimistic
that incremental conversion will ever work robustly.

Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-14  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <45084400.1090906@bluegap.ch>
2006-09-13 19:01 ` cvs import Jon Smirl
2006-09-13 20:41   ` Martin Langhoff
2006-09-13 21:04     ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-13 21:15       ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2006-09-13 21:16       ` Martin Langhoff
2006-09-14  4:17         ` Michael Haggerty [this message]
2006-09-14  4:34           ` Jon Smirl
2006-09-14  5:02             ` Michael Haggerty
2006-09-14  5:21               ` Martin Langhoff
2006-09-14  5:35                 ` Michael Haggerty
2006-09-14  5:30               ` Jon Smirl
2006-09-14  4:40           ` Martin Langhoff
2006-09-13 21:05     ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-13 21:38       ` Jon Smirl
2006-09-14  5:36         ` Michael Haggerty
2006-09-14 15:50           ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-14 16:04             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-14 16:18               ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-14 16:27               ` Jon Smirl
2006-09-14 17:01                 ` Michael Haggerty
2006-09-14 17:08                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-09-14 17:17                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-09-15  7:37             ` Markus Schiltknecht
2006-09-16  3:39               ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-16  6:04                 ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2006-09-16  6:21                 ` Nathaniel Smith
2006-09-13 22:52 ` Nathaniel Smith
2006-09-13 23:21   ` Daniel Carosone
2006-09-13 23:52     ` [Monotone-devel] " Daniel Carosone
2006-09-13 23:42   ` Keith Packard
2006-09-14  0:32     ` Nathaniel Smith
2006-09-14  0:57       ` [Monotone-devel] " Jon Smirl
2006-09-14  1:53         ` Daniel Carosone
2006-09-14  2:30           ` [Monotone-devel] " Shawn Pearce
2006-09-14  3:19             ` Daniel Carosone
2006-09-14 21:57           ` [Monotone-devel] " Petr Baudis
2006-09-14 22:04             ` Shawn Pearce
2006-09-14  2:35     ` Shawn Pearce
2009-02-16  9:17 CVS import Ferry Huberts (Pelagic)

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