From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.176.0/21 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 From: Andreas Ericsson Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Making "git commit" to mean "git commit -a". Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:44:03 +0100 Message-ID: <456FEB53.7080703@op5.se> References: <7virgzuf38.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <7vr6vmsnly.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <87ejrlvn7r.wl%cworth@cworth.org> <7vodqpn3t4.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <7vk61dn2yj.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <456EBBE7.8030404@op5.se> <20061130164046.GB17715@thunk.org> <87irgwu6e6.wl%cworth@cworth.org> <87fyc0u56z.wl%cworth@cworth.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jakub Narebski , git@vger.kernel.org Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git@gmane.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060913) In-Reply-To: <87fyc0u56z.wl%cworth@cworth.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gq40H-0002Xe-Sz for gcvg-git@gmane.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 09:44:18 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S967556AbWLAIoO (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 03:44:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S967558AbWLAIoO (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 03:44:14 -0500 Received: from linux-server1.op5.se ([193.201.96.2]:8071 "EHLO smtp-gw1.op5.se") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S967556AbWLAIoM (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Dec 2006 03:44:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [213.88.215.14]) by smtp-gw1.op5.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81E36BCC3; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:44:06 +0100 (CET) To: Carl Worth Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Carl Worth wrote: > > See? Git _is_ harder to learn, and a user really cannot learn it > without being careful about the index right from the very beginning. > I'm not so sure about that. I came from CVS / SVN, although I've fiddled quite a bit with other scm's as well. The two-step commit process of git didn't terrify me at all, and I had used git at least a month before I joined the mailing-list and found out that there's this thing called an "index". I knew about it before, since back then (June or July 2005) there was only git-update-index to mark things to commit. I just didn't worry about it but expected the scm to tell me if I was about to break something horribly (which it often but not always did). I think the main thing people are having difficulties with when it comes to git is that it doesn't do things like other SCM's do it. Imo this is a good thing, because it allows git to be more powerful than other SCM's. Otoh it forces users migrating from darcs/hg/monotone/perforce/whatever to git actually read the documentation (and quite a lot of it), while hg -> bzr migrators use pretty much the same commands for pretty much the same actions. This makes users accustomed to not reading docs / trying things out before attempting Real Work(tm), which breaks down horribly when user expectations doesn't match reality. The simplest and usually most effective solution is to meet the users half-way, and tell them early on that this power comes at the cost of having to read the documentation and do the tutorials. -- Andreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se OP5 AB www.op5.se