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From: Steven Grimm <koreth@midwinter.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>,
	John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Rename handling
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:57:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45FEEB0C.3080602@midwinter.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703191145530.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> It's much worse than that. I will *guarantee* that renames are missed when 
> they come in as traditional patches, for example. That's a 100% error rate 
> right there, not some "1%" one.
>   

That's an argument that the content-based rename detector is valuable 
and shouldn't be ditched, a sentiment with which I completely agree. It 
is a fabulous piece of work and handles cases that none of git's 
competitors get right, such as patches or tracking upstream 
distributions or tracking renames made by non-git-aware tools.

However, "Should we keep the existing rename detection?" is not the same 
question as, "Should the user be able to tell the system he's renaming 
something?" Or rather, given we already have git mv, "Should the system 
remember that the user has told it he's renaming something?" Right now 
git is throwing away metadata the user is feeding to it, metadata that 
could be used to eliminate the chance of a subsequent failure. As long 
as that metadata is used in *addition* to the existing logic, rather 
than as a *replacement*, the downside seems minimal. You won't have it 
in the case of a patch, granted, but that just means patches will use 
the existing, almost-always-right, rename detection, no harm done.

> So learn to love the bomb. Rename tracking is *wrong*. 
>   

Until someone comes up with a way to make content-based rename detection 
100% foolproof in the face of things like frequent self-references in 
Java or C++ classes, it may be a necessary evil (or at least a 
worthwhile one.)

-Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-19 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-19 16:10 Rename handling John Goerzen
2007-03-19 18:14 ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-19 18:35   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-19 18:48     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:57       ` Steven Grimm [this message]
2007-03-19 20:19         ` Martin Langhoff
2007-03-20  8:33           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-19 20:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 20:02       ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-03-19 20:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:36     ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-19 19:45       ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-19 20:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 20:17       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-19 20:44       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-03-19 19:03   ` Andy Parkins
2007-03-19 19:21     ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-21  0:06       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-21  0:25         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-21 22:28           ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-21 23:01             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-21 23:10               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-22  0:10             ` Martin Langhoff
2007-03-22  2:01               ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-22  2:39                 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-03-22  3:32                   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-22  3:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 19:15   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-03-19 19:49   ` John Goerzen
2007-03-19 22:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-21  0:21 ` Jakub Narebski

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