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From: Marius Storm-Olsen <marius@trolltech.com>
To: Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>,
	Julian Phillips <julian@quantumfyre.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Teach "git branch" about --new-workdir
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:10:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A73DB6.4090007@trolltech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200707251205.48235.andyparkins@gmail.com>

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Andy Parkins said the following on 25.07.2007 13:05:
> On Wednesday 2007 July 25, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> 
>> So this leaves me with the question: do Windows users really want
>> a proper native Windows support for Git?  If the answer is yes,
>> why don't they _do_ (as in "not talk") something about it?
> 
> I don't disagree with you at all - it is completely ridiculous for
> Windows users to moan about lack of Windows support without
> contributing any help. However, I think there is a good reason.
> 
> I think it's a chicken and egg problem.  The only reason I started
> making (small) contributions to git was because I was using it
> already.  I didn't set out with the goal "to improve git"; I set
> out looking for a DVCS. Luckily for me, I use Linux so git worked
> pretty well for me straight away.
> 
> The same is not true for Windows users.  Even if we ignore the fact
> that Windows users are notoriously less open-source savvy; it's
> unlikely that we'll get any Windows contributions until there are
> some threshold number of developers using git on Windows.
> 
> Open-source is all about scratching an itch, I can't see how
> Windows developers can get a gitch to scratch without being users
> of git first.  On the positive side though, there surely must come
> a point when the Windows port is "good enough" that it will start
> to gather users and hence developers.  Until then, I suppose it's
> just a matter of shouting "patch" every time a windows user asks
> for a feature :-)

Hi Andy,

Your mail is refreshingly spot on. I agree fully with what you say.
I will try to do my part to get Git to this 'threshold', so we can get 
a proper Windows community behind it too. (It's just a matter of time 
and resources, which I hope we clear up soon)
My first roadmap item will be to get a fully native compile of the 
built-in code. If we at least have a Git built with native tools, I 
think we'll have a lot more people wanting(/able?) to contribute.

AFAIK the MinGW port is cross-compiled on Linux, and can be hard to 
set up on Windows. The required MinGW packages are scattered all over 
the place. So, it's not impossible at the moment, but I guess most 
Windows users feel a bit unmotivated to work on the code mostly since 
they'll have to develop using Cygwin. (I don't know if that's the 
reason, just a hunch)

So, IMO its not that Windows users don't _want_ to contribute. I think 
they feel they can't. Let's see if we can fix that. I'll let the list 
know as soon as I get native builds going.

Later!

--
.marius


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-25 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-22 18:56 [PATCH 3/3] Teach "git branch" about --new-workdir Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-22 19:16 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-07-22 19:24   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-22 21:09 ` Julian Phillips
2007-07-22 21:25   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-22 21:50     ` Julian Phillips
2007-07-22 21:59       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-22 22:24         ` Julian Phillips
2007-07-22 22:46           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-22 23:37             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-22 23:02           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-23  3:56             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-23  4:45               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-23  5:14                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-23  5:22                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-23 10:32                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-23 10:42                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24  8:19                 ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24  9:02                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24  9:47                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-24 11:07                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 11:14                       ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:06                         ` Julian Phillips
2007-07-24 12:28                           ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:37                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 13:47                             ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-07-24 13:54                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 14:21                                 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-07-25  0:09                           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-24 12:42                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 13:26                           ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 13:29                             ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 13:33                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 18:02                               ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 18:30                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-24 19:36                                   ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-24 23:15                                     ` Alex Riesen
2007-07-25  6:47                                       ` Marius Storm-Olsen
2007-07-25  9:39                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-25 10:22                                           ` Steven Grimm
2007-07-25 11:05                                           ` Andy Parkins
2007-07-25 12:10                                             ` Marius Storm-Olsen [this message]
2007-07-25 14:09                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-25 20:40                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 11:51                                               ` Christian MICHON
2007-07-23  8:31             ` Julian Phillips

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