From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bruce Korb Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] GIT 1.5.3-rc4 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:43:09 -0700 Organization: Free Software Foundation Message-ID: <46B6446D.4030607@gnu.org> References: <7vzm18jg7p.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <200708040341.36147.ismail@pardus.org.tr> <7vsl70jdcr.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <46B3F762.1050306@midwinter.com> <7vfy2zj4nj.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <46B418AA.4070701@midwinter.com> <20070804091249.GA17821@uranus.ravnborg.org> <46B45B1E.5020104@midwinter.com> <85zm17h4pn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85myx7dwb3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bqdndqgr.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bqdmctcl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bqdlj1lh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: bkorb@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Linus Torvalds X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sun Aug 05 23:51:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IHo0c-0008QP-AB for gcvg-git@gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:51:34 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753890AbXHEVvZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:51:25 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754023AbXHEVvY (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:51:24 -0400 Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com ([207.115.20.70]:35265 "EHLO flpi101.prodigy.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753736AbXHEVvY (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:51:24 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 468 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:51:24 EDT X-ORBL: [75.2.142.109] Received: from [10.0.0.2] (adsl-75-2-142-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [75.2.142.109]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l75LhFuw018563; Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:43:16 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20060911) In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Linus Torvalds wrote: >> Yes, name-calling and ad hominem attacks again. > > No. Emacs _is_ odd. It's not even installed by default on most modern > Linux distributions. Hi Linus, Thus disparaging distributions that do install it. I've not had to pull any extra packages to get it so far, but I only update every few years. I've been a happy emacs user for 24 years. > There's no name-calling there. That's just a solid fact. The name calling is unseemly on all sides. >> Please try to remember that Texinfo is a _source_ format, and it >> produces reasonably hyperrefed and coherent PDF and HTML documents as >> well as plain ASCII. That it is also able to produce working info >> files should not bother you. > > You do not even know what you are talking about. > > AsciiDoc is *also* a source format. But the source format is already > readable IN ITSELF. Which is the whole point! Readable, just not writable. It's markup language is a bunch of special characters that require familiarity to understand. Sure, you can peruse the text just fine, but why should this sort of thing: = My Doc Title = be preferred to: @settitle My Doc Title @chapter, @section, @subsection really make a lot more sense to me than this sort of cruft (my disparaging term): Level 0 (top level): ====================== Level 1: ---------------------- Level 2: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Level 3: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Level 4 (bottom level): ++++++++++++++++++++++ It really boils down to preferences and familiarity and should not degenerate into nasty name calling. > Headers? Lists? They look like headers and lists in the .txt files. No > need to think about it as a reader. So do well-formatted .texi docs. I don't really like anything other than WYSIWYG, but that doesn't lend it self to reformatting into man pages et al. > See? Texinfo is decidedly inferior. But you don't have to take it so > personally. So is pretty much anything else. Anything XML/SGML is even > *worse*. Bah! They all have their drawbacks and preferences are going to weight drawbacks differently. So let's all dislike all our choices, eh? Cheers - Bruce