From: "Martin Langhoff" <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>
To: "Kevin Ballard" <kevin@sb.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>, "Mike Hommey" <mh@glandium.org>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:37:26 +1300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46a038f90801231537j6899a1a2t57cd5af9449267f9@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98F90EB6-1930-4643-8C6C-CA11CB123BAA@sb.org>
On Jan 24, 2008 6:19 AM, Kevin Ballard <kevin@sb.org> wrote:
> I don't get why you're still calling it corruption
Because in a modern Internet-aware world, whoever designs a FS needs
to acknowledge that they will need to store files from other systems
that have other assumptions. That is, if they want to interoperate.
As you noted not long ago, it is a serious problem if an HFS+
partition is shared over NFS. If you look at all the apps that have
problems with this aspect of HFS+ , they are all apps that transfer
files over the network over diverse protocols. That's why it's a
problem with git, because the files may be coming from a different
machine, running any arbitrary OS that git supports.
In such scenario, can you understand why everyone is saying that HFS+
and the VFS should not mangle names, even if it makes sense to some
use cases under OSX? And do you understand why the same applies to
git, being a network-sharing-oriented app?
So -- if OSX was doing things to make it easier for users to find
matching files at the Finder level, that'd be _fine_. But the FS has
to deal with a lot more variety than that. So this is a bad design
decision -- perhaps less obvious under OS8/9, but completely
disastrous with a network OS such as OSX. Call it "different" if you
want, but that's a euphemism for "wrong".
cheers,
m
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2008-01-16 15:17 git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Mark Junker
2008-01-16 15:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 15:43 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 16:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 16:46 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 20:39 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 21:51 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 22:06 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:23 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-16 23:16 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:11 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-16 23:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:57 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:27 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17 0:40 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:54 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 1:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 1:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 4:07 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 0:35 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 0:45 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-18 8:29 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 11:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-16 23:58 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-17 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:09 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 0:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 0:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 0:43 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 0:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 1:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 1:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 3:52 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 4:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 4:30 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 4:51 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-17 5:23 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 6:13 ` Geert Bosch
2008-01-17 7:11 ` Mitch Tishmack
2008-01-17 10:22 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 13:44 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 15:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 16:53 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18 0:44 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-17 14:02 ` Andrew Heybey
2008-01-17 15:04 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 19:29 ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-19 19:57 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-17 10:08 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-17 16:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:09 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:12 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-17 18:36 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:38 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 19:02 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-17 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 18:50 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-17 18:52 ` Pedro Melo
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801 171100330.14959@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-17 19:01 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-17 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 0:18 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-18 0:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 1:05 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 1:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 4:08 ` Brian Dessent
2008-01-18 8:49 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 9:42 ` Robin Rosenberg
2008-01-18 10:30 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:37 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:24 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-01-18 10:19 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 10:50 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-18 15:30 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-18 17:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 20:24 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 8:48 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 14:55 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-19 21:17 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-19 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-19 20:39 ` Mark Junker
2008-01-19 22:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20 6:14 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 6:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 13:15 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-20 0:11 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-20 1:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 5:27 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20 5:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 7:00 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-20 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-20 8:00 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 8:12 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-20 9:34 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-18 20:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-18 20:50 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-23 2:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-01-23 2:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-23 14:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-23 21:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-21 14:14 ` Peter Karlsson
2008-01-21 16:43 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 16:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 16:59 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:43 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 20:53 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 23:01 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-21 16:53 ` Jeff King
2008-01-21 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-01-21 17:25 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:35 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 20:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 18:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:05 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 19:58 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 20:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 20:53 ` Kevin Ballard
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.0! 0.0801211323120.2957@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-01-21 20:58 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-21 21:17 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:28 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 21:43 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-21 21:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 21:49 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-21 22:46 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 22:56 ` Martin Langhoff
[not found] ` <53C76BEA-2232-4940-8776-9DF1880089A4@sb.org>
2008-01-21 23:05 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:16 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 0:30 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:00 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-21 23:09 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-21 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 0:47 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 1:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 1:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 2:33 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 2:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 3:04 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-22 3:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-22 3:21 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-22 4:22 ` Kevin Ballard
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2008-01-23 0:08 ` Theodore Tso
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2008-01-23 1:47 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 2:06 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 8:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-23 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 1:14 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 1:16 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 1:27 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-23 1:33 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 1:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 2:02 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 6:41 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 8:15 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 8:43 ` Dmitry Potapov
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2008-01-23 9:12 ` Dmitry Potapov
2008-01-23 9:19 ` Mike Hommey
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2008-01-23 9:40 ` Mike Hommey
2008-01-23 13:38 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 16:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-23 17:12 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-23 17:19 ` Kevin Ballard
2008-01-23 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 21:02 ` On pathnames Junio C Hamano
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2008-01-25 3:55 ` Martin Langhoff
2008-01-25 4:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 4:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 8:08 ` Pedro Melo
2008-01-25 12:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 12:50 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-25 12:53 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-01-24 23:56 ` Sean
2008-01-25 0:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 4:00 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 4:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-01-25 11:36 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 16:25 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-25 17:34 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-25 5:59 ` Jeff King
2008-01-23 20:18 ` git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names Jay Soffian
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