From: "Ping Yin" <pkufranky@gmail.com>
To: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] Make boundary characters for --color-words configurable
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:10:11 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46dff0320805050510t3bc5fd0eq44e0d58d1bb57629@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vprs1ny5e.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org>
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> "Ping Yin" <pkufranky@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > For this example,both "/if/while/ (i />/>=/ /1/0/)" and "/if/while/
> > (i >//=/ /1/0/)" are fine to me.
>
> For the particular example, both are Ok, but for this other example:
>
> -if (i > 1...
> +if ((i > 1...
>
> it probably is better to treat each non-word character as a separate
> token, that is, it would be easier to read if we said "( stayed intact,
> and another ( was added", instead of saying "( is changed to ((".
>
> So "a run of punct chars" rule only sometimes produces better output but
> otherwise worse output, and to make it produce better output consistently,
> we would need to know the syntax of the target language for tokenization,
> i.e. ">=" and ">" are comparison operators, while "(" is a token and "(("
> is better split into two open-paren tokens.
>
> So as a very longer term subproject, we may want to teach the mechanism
> language specific tokenization rules, just like we can specify the hunk
> header pattern via gitattributes(5) to the diff output layer.
>
> Of course, I do not expect you to do that during this round --- and if we
> choose to keep the rule simple, I think it is probably better to use
> one-char-one-token rule for now.
>
>
> > And when designing, i think it's better to take multi-byte characters
> > into account. For multi-byte characters (especially CJK), every
> > character should be considered as a token.
>
> If we take an idealistic view for the longer term, we should be tokenizing
> even CJK sensibly, but unlike Occidental scripts, we cannot even use
> inter-word spacing for tokenizing hint, so unless we are willing to learn
> morphological analysis (which we are not for now), the best we can do is
> to use one-char-one-token rule.
>
> Side Note. For Japanese we could cheat and often do a slightly
> better job than simple one-char-one-token without having full
> morphological analysis by splicing between Kanji and Kana
> boundaries, but I'd prefer not to go there and keep the rules we
> would use to the minimum.
>
> I should stress that I said "character" in the above "punct" and "CJK"
> discussions, not "byte".
>
The one-char-one-token and multi-char-one-token rules may have
different implementation issues. I think multi-char-one-token rule may
be more representative. So for the current time, i prefer considering
both run of word characters and single non-word character as a token.
--
Ping Yin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-05 12:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-02 3:39 [PATCH] Make words boundary for --color-words configurable Ping Yin
2008-05-02 3:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-02 4:28 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-02 13:59 ` [PATCH] Make boundary characters " Ping Yin
2008-05-02 14:26 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-02 14:27 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] " Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] diff.c: Remove code redundancy in diff_words_show Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] diff.c: Use show variable name in fn_out_diff_words_aux Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] diff.c: Fix --color-words showing trailing deleted words at another line Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] Make boundary characters for --color-words configurable Ping Yin
2008-05-03 11:57 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] fn_out_diff_words_aux: Handle common diff line more carefully Ping Yin
2008-05-03 18:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] Make boundary characters for --color-words configurable Junio C Hamano
2008-05-03 18:41 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-04 0:32 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-04 9:44 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 16:35 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-04 20:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-04 20:47 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-05-04 21:27 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-05 12:14 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-05 1:40 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-05 5:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-05 12:10 ` Ping Yin [this message]
2008-05-06 0:40 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-06 8:55 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-07 1:15 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-07 11:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-07 12:19 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-07 13:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-07 14:11 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-07 19:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-07 19:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-07 19:45 ` Jeff King
2008-05-07 20:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-07 22:04 ` Jeff King
2008-05-08 10:34 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-10 9:02 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-10 9:14 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-11 13:16 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-11 13:27 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-11 16:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-12 16:31 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-12 18:57 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-05-12 19:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-12 19:57 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-05-13 1:37 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-13 1:42 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-10 8:20 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-05 11:51 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-05 12:02 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 18:01 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] diff.c: Fix --color-words showing trailing deleted words at another line Junio C Hamano
2008-05-03 12:01 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] diff.c: Use show variable name in fn_out_diff_words_aux Ping Yin
2008-05-03 17:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-03 18:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] diff.c: Remove code redundancy in diff_words_show Junio C Hamano
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] --color-words improvement Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] diff.c: Remove code redundancy in diff_words_show Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] fn_out_diff_words_aux: Use short variable name Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] --color-words: Fix showing trailing deleted words at another line Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] --color-words: Make non-word characters configurable Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] fn_out_diff_words_aux: Handle common diff line more carefully Ping Yin
2008-05-04 4:20 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] --color-words: Add test t4030 Ping Yin
2008-05-04 9:54 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] fn_out_diff_words_aux: Handle common diff line more carefully Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 16:53 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-05 12:11 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-05 14:18 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-04 6:45 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] --color-words: Make non-word characters configurable Junio C Hamano
2008-05-04 7:04 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-04 9:52 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] --color-words: Fix showing trailing deleted words at another line Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 16:48 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-05 12:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 9:47 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] fn_out_diff_words_aux: Use short variable name Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 16:39 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-05 12:05 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-04 9:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] diff.c: Remove code redundancy in diff_words_show Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-02 14:36 ` [PATCH] Make boundary characters for --color-words configurable Teemu Likonen
2008-05-03 0:22 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 13:22 ` Dirk Süsserott
2008-05-03 13:57 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 14:03 ` [PATCH] --color-words: Make the word characters configurable Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-03 14:13 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 14:23 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-03 14:43 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-04 9:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-03 17:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-05-04 9:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-02 7:45 ` [PATCH] Make words boundary for --color-words configurable Johannes Schindelin
2008-05-02 8:14 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-02 9:23 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-02 10:01 ` Teemu Likonen
2008-05-02 9:28 ` Ping Yin
2008-05-03 0:18 ` Jakub Narebski
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