From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Steven Grimm Subject: Subversion developer: svn is for dumb people Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:25:36 -0700 Message-ID: <47176CE0.7030609@midwinter.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: 'git' X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Oct 18 16:26:04 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IiWJr-0000ZY-Ul for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:25:52 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1763831AbXJROZk (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:25:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1763523AbXJROZk (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:25:40 -0400 Received: from tater.midwinter.com ([216.32.86.90]:60318 "HELO midwinter.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1763438AbXJROZj (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:25:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 28306 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 14:25:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=200606; d=midwinter.com; b=lu+zAMewUUlOfvBnc2oaqZQ3/Eu1vaLbKP6aN0gBgSR+SOhf2/EvmfBvpR1xf5RI ; Received: from localhost (HELO sgrimm-mbp.lan) (koreth@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 14:25:38 -0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Thought folks here might get a kick out of this: http://blog.red-bean.com/sussman/?p=79 Okay, my summary is slightly facetious, but that's basically the gist of what he's saying: you should choose Subversion rather than a DVCS because most of your users won't be smart enough to use the better tool. I can't say he's completely wrong, especially about the 20/80% idea (though I think "20%" is generous), but some of his specific arguments about DVCS are on the bogus side. "Centralized systems encourage code reviews," for one -- I challenge him to find a project with a more pervasive and effective code-reviewing culture than the git project. I find code reviews *harder* in a centralized system because you end up building external tools to help people try out each other's changes. -Steve