From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>
Cc: Rogan Dawes <lists@dawes.za.net>,
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] Add Git-aware CGI for Git-aware smart HTTP transport
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:35:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4897AE53.4030107@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080805012459.GC32543@spearce.org>
Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if "emulating a dumb server" is desirable at all; it seems
>> like it would at least in part defeat the purpose of minimizing the
>> transaction count and otherwise be as much of a "smart" server as the
>> medium permits.
>
> I think it is a really good idea. Then clients don't have to worry
> about which HTTP URL is the "correct" one for them to be using.
> End users will just magically get the smart git+http variant if
> both sides support it and they need to use HTTP due to firewalls.
> Clients will fall back onto the dumb protocol if the server doesn't
> support smart clones. Older clients (pre git+http) will still be
> able to talk to a smart server, just slower. This is nice for the
> end user. No thinking is required.
>
> Never ask a human to do what a machine can do in less time.
>
> I think its just 1 extra HTTP hit per fetch/push done against
> a dumb server. On a smart server that first hit will also give
> us what we need to begin the conversation (the info/refs data).
> On a dumb server its a wasted hit, but a dumb server is already
> doing to suck. One extra HTTP request against a dumb server is a
> drop in the bucket. Its also a pretty small request (an empty POST).
>
Not arguing that URL compatibility isn't a good thing, but there are
other ways to accomplish it, too. After detecting either a smart or
dumb server, we can use a redirect to point them to a different URL, as
appropriate.
Furthermore, in the case of round-robin sites like kernel.org, this is
actually *mandatory* in the case of a stateful server (we need a
redirect to a server-specific URL), and highly recommended in the case
of a stateless server (because of potential skew.)
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-05 1:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-01 21:50 More on git over HTTP POST H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-02 20:57 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-02 21:00 ` Daniel Stenberg
2008-08-02 21:08 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-02 21:23 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-02 21:32 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 2:56 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 3:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-03 3:31 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 3:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 4:10 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 8:10 ` david
2008-08-03 11:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 11:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 3:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 4:12 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 11:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 4:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 6:43 ` Mike Hommey
2008-08-03 7:25 ` [RFC 1/2] Add backdoor options to receive-pack for use in Git-aware CGI Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 7:25 ` [RFC 2/2] Add Git-aware CGI for Git-aware smart HTTP transport Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 11:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 21:25 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 22:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-04 3:59 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04 9:53 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 10:08 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-04 10:14 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 10:26 ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-04 14:48 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04 15:45 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 15:59 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04 16:18 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-05 1:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-05 1:24 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-05 1:35 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-08-05 1:57 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-05 2:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13 1:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13 2:37 ` Shawn O. Pearce
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