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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Shawn O. Pearce" <spearce@spearce.org>
Cc: Rogan Dawes <lists@dawes.za.net>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] Add Git-aware CGI for Git-aware smart HTTP transport
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:35:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4897AE53.4030107@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080805012459.GC32543@spearce.org>

Shawn O. Pearce wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure if "emulating a dumb server" is desirable at all; it seems  
>> like it would at least in part defeat the purpose of minimizing the  
>> transaction count and otherwise be as much of a "smart" server as the  
>> medium permits.
> 
> I think it is a really good idea.  Then clients don't have to worry
> about which HTTP URL is the "correct" one for them to be using.
> End users will just magically get the smart git+http variant if
> both sides support it and they need to use HTTP due to firewalls.
> Clients will fall back onto the dumb protocol if the server doesn't
> support smart clones.  Older clients (pre git+http) will still be
> able to talk to a smart server, just slower.  This is nice for the
> end user.  No thinking is required.
> 
> Never ask a human to do what a machine can do in less time.
> 
> I think its just 1 extra HTTP hit per fetch/push done against
> a dumb server.  On a smart server that first hit will also give
> us what we need to begin the conversation (the info/refs data).
> On a dumb server its a wasted hit, but a dumb server is already
> doing to suck.  One extra HTTP request against a dumb server is a
> drop in the bucket.  Its also a pretty small request (an empty POST).
> 

Not arguing that URL compatibility isn't a good thing, but there are 
other ways to accomplish it, too.  After detecting either a smart or 
dumb server, we can use a redirect to point them to a different URL, as 
appropriate.

Furthermore, in the case of round-robin sites like kernel.org, this is 
actually *mandatory* in the case of a stateful server (we need a 
redirect to a server-specific URL), and highly recommended in the case 
of a stateless server (because of potential skew.)

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-05  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-01 21:50 More on git over HTTP POST H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-02 20:57 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-02 21:00   ` Daniel Stenberg
2008-08-02 21:08     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-02 21:23       ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-02 21:32         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03  2:56   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03  3:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-03  3:31       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03  3:47       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03  4:10         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03  8:10           ` david
2008-08-03 11:42             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 11:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03  3:51     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03  4:12       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 11:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03  4:01     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03  6:43     ` Mike Hommey
2008-08-03  7:25     ` [RFC 1/2] Add backdoor options to receive-pack for use in Git-aware CGI Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03  7:25       ` [RFC 2/2] Add Git-aware CGI for Git-aware smart HTTP transport Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 11:38         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-03 21:25           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-03 22:16         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-04  3:59           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04  9:53             ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 10:08               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-04 10:14                 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 10:26                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-04 14:48               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04 15:45                 ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-04 15:59                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-04 16:18                     ` Rogan Dawes
2008-08-05  1:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-05  1:24                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-05  1:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-08-05  1:57                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-05  2:02                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13  1:56                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13  2:37                             ` Shawn O. Pearce

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