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From: Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What's in a name? Let's use a (uuid,name,email) triplet
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:52:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BA38F9F.8050007@drmicha.warpmail.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733911003190733h62e2aea0i7573bba641f4d931@mail.gmail.com>

Jon Smirl venit, vidit, dixit 19.03.2010 15:33:
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Jakub Narebski <jnareb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Michael Witten <mfwitten@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Short Version:
>>> -------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Rather than use a (name,email) pair to identify people, let's use
>>> a (uuid,name,email) triplet.
>>>
>>> The uuid can be any piece of information that a user of git determines
>>> to be reasonably unique across space and time and that is intended to
>>> be used by that user virtually forever (at least within a project's
>>> history).
>>>
>>> For instance, the uuid could be an OSF DCE 1.1 UUID or the SHA-1 of
>>> some easily remembered, already reasonably unique information.
>>
>> ... or 'canonical-name canonical-email' pair.
>>
>>>
>>> This could really help keep identifications clean, and it is rather
>>> straightforward and possibly quite efficient.
>>>
>>>
>>> Long Version:
>>> ------------
>> [...]
>>
>>> While git's use of (name,email) pairs to identify each person is
>>> extremely practical, it turns out that it's rather `unstable';
>>
>> This is non-solution to non-problem.
>>
>> First, the user.name and user.email does not need to be name and email
>> from some email account.  It might be some "canonical name" and
>> "canonical email".
>>
>> Second, there are (I think) two main sources of 'unstability' in
>> (name,email) pairs, namely A) misconfigured git (when fetching/pushing
>> using git itself), B) wrong name in email etc. (when sending patches
>> via email, 80% of patches in Linux kernel case).
> 
> Another top source is mangling of non-ASCII charsets when they go
> though the email system. Are the git work flow tools safe for
> alternative charsets? Do the email tools look at the charset header of
> the email message? Check people's names in the kernel commits and
> you'll find lots of examples of this type of mangling.
>

Or even the quoting of quotes for nick names, appearing as 'nick',
"nick", \"nick\", nick and what not.

> Or people not using UTF-8. There are files in the kernel where
> people's names are in conflicting codepages. Should git try to look
> for diffs that aren't UTF-8?

You and others are proving a very important point here: This is really
an lkml proxy fight being taken to the git list, after the futile
mailmap-ification there.

People may disagree on the best approach in general, but this thread
clearly shows:

- The Git community is happy with mailmap for git.git.
- The Git community does not see any need for amending the mailmap
mechanism.
- How you actually use mailmap (leniently or enforcing) is a per-project
decision, just like the patch workflow, the meaning and use of s-o-b
lines, the requirement for full names and many other things.

But since the git list is hosted on kernel.org we can't really complain
about providing room for an lkml discussion ;)

Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-19 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-18 13:23 What's in a name? Let's use a (uuid,name,email) triplet Michael Witten
2010-03-18 13:48 ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 14:26   ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:02   ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 19:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:16       ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 19:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:37           ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 19:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 20:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-19 19:39                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-03-18 20:31                 ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-18 20:59                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:32       ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 19:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 19:47           ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 19:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 20:00               ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 19:52             ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-03-18 19:40         ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-03-18 19:42         ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 22:36   ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 23:17     ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-18 23:26       ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 23:34         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-18 23:41           ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 23:58             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-19  0:16               ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-19  0:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-19  0:39                   ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-19  0:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-19  1:12                       ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-19  1:45                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-19  2:05                           ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 23:34       ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 18:42 ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 18:47   ` Matthieu Moy
2010-03-18 18:57     ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 19:12   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-18 20:44   ` tytso
2010-03-18 21:12     ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 21:19       ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 21:29         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 21:39           ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 21:46             ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 21:55               ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 22:02                 ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 23:37                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-18 23:44                     ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19  0:03                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-19  0:27                         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19  0:32                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-03-18 22:06               ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-18 21:57             ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 12:34               ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-19 12:43                 ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 12:53                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-19 13:03                     ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 13:08                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-19 13:13                         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 13:41                           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2010-03-19 13:59                             ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 14:13                               ` Martin Langhoff
2010-03-18 21:27       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-18 21:44         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-18 23:12         ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-18 22:17 ` A Large Angry SCM
2010-03-19  2:47 ` Sitaram Chamarty
2010-03-19  5:17   ` Nazri Ramliy
2010-03-19  8:41 ` Michael Haggerty
2010-03-19 11:39   ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 11:45     ` david
2010-03-19 11:54       ` Mike Hommey
2010-03-19 12:09         ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-19 12:16           ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 12:18             ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 14:57             ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-19 15:26               ` Michael J Gruber
2010-03-19 16:05                 ` david
2010-03-19 17:16                   ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 12:25           ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-19 12:40             ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-19 12:09         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-22 12:06           ` Mark Brown
2010-03-22 14:38           ` Michael Witten
2010-03-24 19:18             ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-03-24 19:23               ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 12:08       ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 14:08     ` Michael Haggerty
2010-03-19 17:02       ` david
2010-03-19 17:06         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-24 18:50           ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-19 14:08 ` Jakub Narebski
2010-03-19 14:33   ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-19 14:52     ` Michael J Gruber [this message]
2010-03-19 14:40   ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 14:56     ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-03-19 15:05       ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 15:12         ` Michael Witten
2010-03-19 15:25         ` Erik Faye-Lund
2010-03-19 15:12     ` Reece Dunn
2010-03-20  0:21     ` Jakub Narebski

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