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From: Michael J Gruber <git@drmicha.warpmail.net>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFD 0/2] revision.c: --merges, --no-merges and --merges-only
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:56:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D831043.1060709@drmicha.warpmail.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110317195905.GG20508@sigill.intra.peff.net>

Jeff King venit, vidit, dixit 17.03.2011 20:59:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:33:56PM +0100, Michael J Gruber wrote:
> 
>> This mini series makes it so that --no-merges undoes --merges
>> and vice versa, as the user should be able to expect,
>> and that --merges-only is a separate option.
> 
> Having recently been confused by this (and frustrated at the lack of an
> equivalent to your new "--merges"), I do think the result is better.
> 
> However, this is totally changing the meaning of an option to plumbing
> like rev-list (among others). Is it worth the breakage? If so, what's
> the migration plan? Did I miss a discussion somewhere?

You missed only the "D" in RFD :)

The meaning of a plumbing option can't be changed light-heartedly, of
course. OTOH, the current design is *really bad* from the ui point of
view. The expectation that

"cmd --no-foo --foo" is eq. to "cmd --foo"

and

"cmd --foo --no-foo" is eq. to "cmd --no-foo"

should be valid universally. In the long run, we might even try and
convert revision.c to parse_options, thereby gaining --no-foo for every
--foo.

So, my RFD really consists of two things:

- provide a way to override --no-merges/no_merges
- sane naming

The first step + half of the second could be achieved by:

- provide "--merges-also" which does "no_merges = 0"
- provide "--merges-only" which does "merges_only = 1", i.e. an alias
for current "--merges"

"--merges-also --no-merges" would be "--no-merges" and vice versa.
"--merges-also --merges-only" would be "--merges-only"
"--merges-only --merges-also" would be "--merges-only"
which all make sense sematically

"--merges-only --no-merges" would be no commits with the current
implementation (just like "--merges --no-merges"), but we could catch
this case easily and make it do "--no-merges".

I don't think we need to care about keeping the current behavior of
"--merges --no-merges", do we?

So, no breakage here. Along with it we could issue deprecation notices
in doc and relnotes for "--merges" or just make them less visible. That
is, it would serve the same purpose as Junio's tri-state option.

In 2.0 or so, we could change "--merges" to be an alias for
"--merges-also" rather than "--merges-only" (but don't have to).

>From the ui perspective I'm somehow not a big fan of tri-state options
but can't give hard reasons why; maybe because they force you to use
option arguments. Also, the only reasonable name for a tri-state option
would be "--merges". Can a tri-state have a default? Then we could
default "--merges" to the current behavior, i.e. "--merges=only"
(assuming we have "--merges=only/also/no").

Junio: Sorry for making you explain "D" more rather than doing it myself
upfront.

Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-18  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-17 11:33 [PATCH/RFD 0/2] revision.c: --merges, --no-merges and --merges-only Michael J Gruber
2011-03-17 11:33 ` [PATCH/RFD 1/2] revision.c: rename --merges to --merges-only Michael J Gruber
2011-03-17 11:33 ` [PATCH/RFD 2/2] revision.c: introduce --merges to undo --no-merges Michael J Gruber
2011-03-17 19:23 ` [PATCH/RFD 0/2] revision.c: --merges, --no-merges and --merges-only Junio C Hamano
2011-03-17 19:59 ` Jeff King
2011-03-18  7:56   ` Michael J Gruber [this message]
2011-03-18  8:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-18  8:41       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18  8:56       ` Jeff King
2011-03-18 14:50         ` [PATCH 0/3] rev-list and friends: --min-parents, --max-parents Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 14:50           ` [PATCH 1/3] revision.c: introduce --min-parents and --max-parents Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 19:34             ` Jeff King
2011-03-21  7:31               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 20:48             ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-18 21:21               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-21  9:26               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 14:50           ` [PATCH 2/3] t6009: use test_commit() from test-lib.sh Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 14:50           ` [PATCH 3/3] rev-list --min-parents,--max-parents: doc and test and completion Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 19:48             ` Jeff King
2011-03-21  9:01               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 10:54                 ` Jeff King
2011-03-21 12:06                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 14:54                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-21 14:56                       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 16:47                         ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-18 21:14             ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-21  8:52               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 17:49                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-22  7:38                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 14:54           ` [PATCH 0/3] rev-list and friends: --min-parents, --max-parents Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18 19:41           ` Jeff King
2011-03-21  7:42             ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 10:14               ` [PATCHv2 " Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 10:14                 ` [PATCHv2 1/3] t6009: use test_commit() from test-lib.sh Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 10:14                 ` [PATCHv2 2/3] revision.c: introduce --min-parents and --max-parents Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 14:04                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 17:45                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-21 17:58                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-21 10:14                 ` [PATCHv2 3/3] rev-list --min-parents,--max-parents: doc and test and completion Michael J Gruber
2011-03-21 18:45                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-22  7:55                     ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  0:47                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-21 10:56                 ` [PATCHv2 0/3] rev-list and friends: --min-parents, --max-parents Jeff King
2011-03-23  9:38                   ` [PATCHv3 0/5]rev-list " Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  9:38                     ` [PATCHv3 1/5] t6009: use test_commit() from test-lib.sh Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  9:38                     ` [PATCHv3 2/5] revision.c: introduce --min-parents and --max-parents Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  9:38                     ` [PATCHv3 3/5] squash! " Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  9:38                     ` [PATCHv3 4/5] rev-list --min-parents,--max-parents: doc, test and completion Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23  9:38                     ` [PATCHv3 5/5] fixup! " Michael J Gruber
2011-03-23 14:48                     ` [PATCHv3 0/5]rev-list and friends: --min-parents, --max-parents Jeff King
2011-03-23 17:12                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-23 18:06                     ` Junio C Hamano
2011-03-24  8:21                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-24  8:55                       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-24  9:42                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-08-08  1:13                       ` [PATCH/RFC 0/2] test_when_finished and returning early Jonathan Nieder
2011-08-08  1:15                         ` [PATCH 1/2] test: simplify return value of test_run_ Jonathan Nieder
2011-08-08  1:17                         ` [PATCH 2/2] test: cope better with use of return for errors Jonathan Nieder
2011-08-09  8:46                           ` Johannes Sixt
2011-08-09 15:36                             ` Jeff King
2011-08-11  7:05                               ` [PATCH v2] t3900: do not reference numbered arguments from the test script Johannes Sixt
2011-08-11  7:11                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-08-11 21:49                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-08-08  1:26                         ` [PATCH/RFC 0/2] test_when_finished and returning early Jeff King
2011-03-18  9:07     ` [PATCH/RFD 0/2] revision.c: --merges, --no-merges and --merges-only Jeff King
2011-03-18  9:42       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-03-18  9:54         ` Jeff King

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