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From: Antony Male <antony.male@gmail.com>
To: git@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Please discuss: what "git push" should do when you do not say what to push?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 02:27:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F67EB1F.30205@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7v7gyjersg.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org>

This is my 2 cents from helping out on #git.  I don't consider workflows 
at all, only how to minimise confusion for new users when they're trying 
to understand how git works.

We occasionally get users who are having trouble understanding why the 
argument-less form of 'git pull' is failing, due to lack of tracking 
configuration.  We explain that the tracking config is git's way of 
"connecting" local and remote branches, and how to use 'git push -u' and 
'git branch --set-upstream' appropriately.

This is all well and good -- they've discovered that local and remote 
branches are separate, that they aren't "magically" joined, that there's 
a bit of configuration data which "connects" the two, and how to 
manipulate it.

Users then assume that argument-less form of 'git push' uses the same 
mechanism.  To then discover that it (by default) uses a different way 
of "connecting" local and remote branches is often confusing [1].  In 
addition, it can't be manipulated in the same way as the tracking config 
they learnt about before.

For this reason, I am in favour of push.default = upstream. Although it 
requires knowledge about setting up tracking config (in the cases where 
tracking config isn't set automatically), this knowledge has to be 
gained anyway for the argument-less form of 'git pull' to work.


[1]: Indeed, a lot of users only find out about this difference when it 
has bitten them in some way.

Thanks,
Antony

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-20  2:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-17  5:10 Please discuss: what "git push" should do when you do not say what to push? Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17  5:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 10:05   ` Andrew Sayers
2012-03-18 18:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-18 21:26       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-03-19  0:29         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-19  7:29           ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-19 20:11       ` Andrew Sayers
2012-03-19 21:43         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-19 22:20           ` demerphq
2012-03-19 22:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-20 10:00               ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-03-19 22:47           ` Andrew Sayers
2012-03-19 22:59             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-20 21:20               ` Andrew Sayers
2012-03-20 23:09                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-20 23:41                   ` Andrew Sayers
2012-03-21  0:25                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-20 14:12   ` Martin Langhoff
2012-03-20 15:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-20 18:31       ` Martin Langhoff
2012-03-20 16:43     ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-21 17:54   ` Summary of discussion on "git push" default change Junio C Hamano
2012-03-21 18:05     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-17 14:00 ` Please discuss: what "git push" should do when you do not say what to push? Joey Hess
2012-03-19  0:36   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 18:43 ` fREW Schmidt
2012-03-18  4:02   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-03-18  5:43     ` Marcus D. Hanwell
2012-03-18 16:52   ` Sebastian Schuberth
2012-03-19  9:07 ` Peter Krefting
2012-03-19  9:35   ` Letting remote repositories override local configuration Jonathan Nieder
2012-03-19 12:21     ` Peter Krefting
2012-03-19 18:57 ` Please discuss: what "git push" should do when you do not say what to push? Kevin Ballard
2012-03-20  2:27 ` Antony Male [this message]
2012-03-20 12:04   ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-20 13:04     ` Antony Male
2012-03-20  7:13 ` Nathan Gray
2012-03-20 12:00   ` Ben Tebulin
2012-03-20 12:00   ` Ben Tebulin
2012-03-20 12:00   ` Ben Tebulin
2012-03-20 12:01   ` Ben Tebulin
2012-03-20 12:36 ` Filipe Fernandes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-03-19 18:26 Michael K. Johnson

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