From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael G Schwern Subject: Re: OT: mail-based interfaces and web-based interfaces (Re: Extract Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:33:31 -0700 Message-ID: <5010AC7B.6020805@pobox.com> References: <5004B772.3090806@pobox.com> <20120717174446.GA14244@burratino> <5005F139.8050205@pobox.com> <20120717233125.GF25325@burratino> <7vy5mhwrdl.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> <500F23E4.9090306@pobox.com> <20120725025507.GB13236@dcvr.yhbt.net> <500F860E.5010909@pobox.com> <20120725234838.GA16020@dcvr.yhbt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Junio C Hamano , Jonathan Nieder , git@vger.kernel.org, robbat2@gentoo.org, Ben Walton To: Eric Wong X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Jul 26 04:33:40 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SuDtT-0004u1-VN for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 04:33:40 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752321Ab2GZCde (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:33:34 -0400 Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.35]:53606 "EHLO smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752105Ab2GZCde (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:33:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610889491; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:33:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=+cKV7GUGEjkX CwbV+WRDb4LLV1A=; b=dOydcKlNX/0qcOxP/wPIeWM1JfjSH3gVKaAOt+CTgvjr 4FQLWTpH9NZ7osBdS6dvkwxrsgvVyyyvV9EvL9erOwtAFtemLewZiIApViylbJYK gLZTYRzQWjieu9u00J7VEixU7Mb77/AULwUmxBEV1oEdDtOnwIkabaPfwg3kGYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=message-id:date :from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=JVghZl A/JltXZh6WsZ5t12BFYlBA+J6rMHHKrrvn240KnCVciH44i+Ylu7pYqmKHNQmC94 YmNOpn+oHyfz7hBxeUBgxxIe+PYl/3HWbk4Wyfbqv4+8UJ/+bytZIMkFlIi0dfNt MOCDWWUoK/UVDCwFbxeYGddaNsb9SbNkqv/Vs= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3589490; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from windhund.local (unknown [71.236.173.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E8B8948F; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:33:32 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: <20120725234838.GA16020@dcvr.yhbt.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 4B1E9798-D6CA-11E1-A9CD-01B42E706CDE-02258300!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On 2012.7.25 4:48 PM, Eric Wong wrote: > We need to use something. Right now our choice of mailer is the best > choice for _existing_ contributors. I believe this entire discussion can be reduced to that right there. If your process is optimized for existing contributors, it will work well for existing contributors, who will want to optimize it for themselves. Repeat. If the main way you evaluate your process is asking "is this more convenient for me" then you're probably in that spiral. This creates a process very well tuned to the existing contributors, and its very convenient for them. But the consequence is it becomes more and more work for a new contributor to join. Before talking about anything else, the existing contributors have to ask themselves a simple question: Do we care about getting new contributors? The answer can be "no" ("yes, but not if I'm inconvenienced" is a no). Maybe you're happy with the people you've got. But there's no point in getting into detail until that's settled. That's mostly a rhetorical question. I want to wrap up the meta-discussion and focus on getting patches in. -- 100. Claymore mines are not filled with yummy candy, and it is wrong to tell new soldiers that they are. -- The 213 Things Skippy Is No Longer Allowed To Do In The U.S. Army http://skippyslist.com/list/