From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael J Gruber Subject: Re: Lack of netiquette, was Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] New remote-hg helper Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:00:16 +0100 Message-ID: <5097E290.4030700@drmicha.warpmail.net> References: <5090EFCA.7070606@drmicha.warpmail.net> <20121031102712.GB30879@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20121031185903.GA1480@elie.Belkin> <50927D29.3020703@lsrfire.ath.cx> <5093949D.4070509@op5.se> <5093A873.9090701@drmicha.warpmail.net> <5097860E.5040607@drmicha.warpmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Andreas Ericsson , =?UTF-8?B?UmVuw6kgU2NoYXJmZQ==?= , Junio C Hamano , Johannes Schindelin , Jonathan Nieder , Jeff King , git@vger.kernel.org, Sverre Rabbelier , Ilari Liusvaara , Daniel Barkalow To: Felipe Contreras X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon Nov 05 17:00:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVP6K-0001T3-EY for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:00:36 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752123Ab2KEQAV (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:00:21 -0500 Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:47413 "EHLO out5-smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751505Ab2KEQAT (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:00:19 -0500 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A6A20665; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:00:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=nyf6UnyBcBpfy10zKNFSh1 SdJGY=; b=FAObmq24evZLpZI1ffPfI5HtP4b6lH61mDrjrAXY3w6+Hu6VyywBVY JxYwi8e9QaKMT0+bEE17kOwP/Cdi4/CRPAAEak8f1ncskXFyJDHQnbSD2eE7jcv6 5+wJlXItl0J8/9hEwMHbco5qcFtZG1MGGTTCSgqI/BE6/4WZFRnQ8= X-Sasl-enc: zze3esOfQIkqERIFLLw8Zyzq2DQIG61vncgCdMMJ7gh0 1352131218 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [130.75.46.56]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 33EF68E04E0; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:00:17 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121016 Thunderbird/16.0.1 In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: [trimmed down heavily by mjg] Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 05.11.2012 16:22: > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael J Gruber > wrote: >> Felipe Contreras venit, vidit, dixit 02.11.2012 17:09: >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Michael J Gruber >>> wrote: > There is no lack of openness from my part. I hear all technical > arguments, and I reply on a technical basis. The problem seems to be > is that you expect the code submitted to be criticized, but not the > criticism it receives. IOW; the submitter has to put up with anything > anybody says about his/her code and ideas, but the *reviewer* is > untouchable; the submitter cannot ever criticize the reviewer. I can Feel free to criticize the criticism, just don't offend the criticizer (be it the reviewer or the submitter). > tell you that doesn't happen in the Linux kernel; the review process > is a _discussion_, not a one-way communication, and discussions can be > heated up, but the end result is better code, *both* sides are open to > criticism, the submitter, *and* the reviewer. Exactly, both. >> And no, using the same or similar language does not make us the same at >> all. Using the same language is the natural prerequisite for successful >> communication. > > Nobody said otherwise. Well, you did in the post I responded to: >>> The dangers of "everyone" following the same style of communication, >>> and making "everyone" feel comfortable, is that "everyone" ends up >>> being the same kind of people In any case, I feel I've showed enough efforts and there's no point in dragging this on. Michael