From: Jens Lehmann <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>
To: Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon@gmail.com>
Cc: John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>,
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy <pclouds@gmail.com>,
Heiko Voigt <hvoigt@hvoigt.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/7] Rework git core for native submodules
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:41:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51632B95.3040103@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5161D3C5.9060804@web.de>
Ok, here comes an updated version of our comparison list which
I updated with what I read in recent discussions. As I said
earlier, please speak up if I missed anything (or forgot to add
anyone to the CC).
I picked up one advantage ("no need to cd-to-toplevel to edit
.gitmodules) two new disadvantages ("foreach" and "default
submodule config") and retired one Ram showed a solution for
(the "unstaged gitlink").
Advantages:
* Information is stored in one place, no need to lookup stuff in
another file/blob.
* Easier coding, as we find all information in a single object.
* No need to cd-to-toplevel to change configuration in the
.gitmodules file, the special tools to edit link information
will work in any subdirectory.
(We currently need a checked out work tree to access the
.gitmodules file, but there is ongoing work to read the
configuration directly from the database)
(While it is easier to merge the link object, a .gitmodules
aware merge driver would work just as well)
Disadvantages:
* Changes in user visible behavior, possible compatibility
problems when Git versions are mixed.
* Special tools are needed to edit submodule information where
currently a plain editor is sufficient and a standard format
is used.
* merge conflicts are harder to resolve and require special git
commands, solving them in .gitmodules is way more intuitive
as users are already used to conflict markers.
* "git submodule foreach" becomes harder to implement
* With .gitmodules we lose a central spot where configuration
concerning many submodules can be stored
(I think when we also put the submodule name in the object we
could also retain the ability to repopulated moved submodules
from their old repo, which is found by that name)
(That a link object can have no unstaged counterpart that a file
easily has can be fixed by special casing this, e.g. in using a
file in .git/link-specs/)
Hmm, while it is still too early to close the polls, it looks
to me as most advantages are about easier coding while most
disadvantages hit the user. That makes it more understandable
for me why Ram is so convinced of his approach and why on the
other hand submodule users like myself are rather sceptical. I
think we need some more advantages that users will directly
profit from, the cd-to-toplevel for .gitmodules is definitely
not enough to support the change Ram is proposing. What other
advantages are missing here?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-08 20:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-04 18:30 [RFC/PATCH 0/7] Rework git core for native submodules Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] link.c, link.h: introduce fifth object type Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] sha1_file, link: write link objects to the database Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 7:11 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 7:59 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] teach ce_compare_gitlink() about OBJ_LINK Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] builtin/log: teach show " Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] edit-link: add new builtin Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] clone: introduce clone.submodulegitdir Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 7:07 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] sha1_file: write ref_name to link object Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 7:03 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:40 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/7] Rework git core for native submodules Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 18:52 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 19:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-04 19:59 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 20:28 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-04 19:36 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 19:52 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 20:08 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 20:04 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 16:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-05 16:37 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 19:42 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 21:20 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-04 21:35 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 22:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-04 22:18 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 22:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-04 22:32 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 23:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-04 23:14 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 17:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-05 17:23 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-05 6:53 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-04 18:47 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-04 18:58 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-04 18:55 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-08 10:10 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-08 10:26 ` [PATCH] t3700 (add): add failing test for add with submodules Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 11:04 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-08 15:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 21:30 ` Jeff King
2013-04-08 22:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 22:07 ` Jeff King
2013-04-09 9:19 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 9:21 ` [PATCH 0/2] Fix git " Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 9:21 ` [PATCH 1/2] t3700 (add): add two tests for testing " Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 9:21 ` [PATCH 2/2] add: refuse to add paths beyond repository boundaries Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 16:50 ` Jeff King
2013-04-09 17:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 17:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 17:41 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 17:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 18:17 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 18:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 19:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 20:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-10 13:25 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-10 16:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 17:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 17:56 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 18:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-10 13:38 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 18:32 ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-09 18:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 18:58 ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-09 19:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-09 16:27 ` [PATCH] t3700 (add): add failing test for add with submodules Jeff King
2013-04-09 11:43 ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-09 11:54 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 13:49 ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-06 20:10 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/7] Rework git core for native submodules Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 3:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-07 7:27 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 9:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-07 10:58 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 15:51 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 16:12 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 16:42 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 17:02 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 17:22 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 17:52 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 18:07 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 18:21 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 18:34 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-07 18:44 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 20:15 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-07 20:49 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 21:02 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 21:11 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 20:57 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 21:23 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-07 21:30 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 7:48 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-08 8:07 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 8:19 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-08 9:08 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 10:29 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-08 11:06 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 11:29 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-08 11:53 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 15:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 16:08 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 18:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 19:03 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 19:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 19:54 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 20:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 21:03 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-10 7:23 ` Philip Oakley
2013-04-08 21:59 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-09 11:51 ` Jakub Narębski
2013-04-08 11:10 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 8:37 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-04-08 9:14 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-08 14:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 17:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-17 10:37 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-17 11:06 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-17 11:27 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-17 11:56 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-17 12:06 ` Duy Nguyen
2013-04-17 12:14 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
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2013-04-17 23:17 ` Philip Oakley
2013-04-18 7:50 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-19 17:08 ` Jens Lehmann
2013-04-17 16:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-04-08 20:41 ` Jens Lehmann [this message]
2013-04-08 21:36 ` Jeff King
2013-04-07 18:59 ` John Keeping
2013-04-07 19:06 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 19:17 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 18:37 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 18:22 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-04-07 19:26 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
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2013-04-07 21:24 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
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2013-04-08 17:04 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
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