From: Richard Hansen <rhansen@bbn.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>,
John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>,
Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, Andreas Krey <a.krey@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:20:43 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5228A14B.3000804@bbn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqr4d4jird.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com>
On 2013-09-04 18:59, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org> writes:
>
>> From: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
>>> John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> I think there are two distinct uses for pull, which boil down to:
>>>>
>>>> (1) git pull
>>> ...
>>> Peff already covered (1)---it is highly doubtful that a merge is
>>> "almost always wrong". In fact, if that _were_ the case, we should
>>> simply be defaulting to rebase, not failing the command and asking
>>> between merge and rebase like jc/pull-training-wheel topic did.
>>>
>>> We simply do not know what the user wants, as it heavily depends on
>>> the project, so we ask the user to choose one (and stick to it).
>>
>> We only offer a limited list. It won't be sufficient for all use
>> cases. It wasn't for me.
>
> Very interesting. Tell us more.
I'm a bit late to the discussion, but I wanted to chime in. I detest
'git pull' and discourage everyone I meet from using it. See:
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15316601/why-is-git-pull-considered-harmful>
for my reasons.
Instead, I encourage people to do this:
git config --global alias.up '!git remote update -p; git merge
--ff-only @{u}'
and tell them to run 'git up' whenever they would be tempted to use a
plain 'git pull'.
I usually work with a central repository with topic branches. I follow
this rule of thumb:
* When merging a "same-named" branch (e.g., origin/foo into foo, foo
into origin/foo), it should always be a fast-forward. This may
require rebasing.
* When merging a "differently-named" branch (e.g., feature.xyz into
master), it should never be a fast-forward.
In distributed workflows, I think of 'git pull <collaborator-repo>
<their-branch>' as merging a differently-named branch (I wouldn't be
merging if they hadn't told me that a separate feature they were working
on is complete), so I generally want the merge commit. But when I do a
'git pull' without extra arguments, I'm updating a same-named branch so
I never want a merge.
When merging a differently-named branch, I prefer the merge --no-ff to
be preceded by a rebase to get a nice, pretty graph:
* merge feature.xyz <- master
|\
| * xyz part 3/3
| * xyz part 2/3
| * xyz part 1/3
|/
* merge feature.foo
|\
| * foo part 2/2
| * foo part 1/2
|/
* merge feature.bar
|\
...
The explicit merge has several benefits:
* It clearly communicates to others that the feature is done.
* It makes it easier to revert the entire feature by reverting the
merge if necessary.
* It allows our continuous integration tool to skip over the
work-in-progress commits and test only complete features.
* It makes it easier to review the entire feature in one diff.
* 'git log --first-parent' shows a high-level summary of the changes
over time, while a normal 'git log' shows the details.
>
> When "git pull" stops because what was fetched in FETCH_HEAD does
> not fast-forward, then what did _you_ do (and with the knowledge you
> currently have, what would you do)?
I stop and review what's going on, then make a decision:
* usually it's a rebase
* sometimes it's a rebase --onto (because the branch was
force-updated to undo a particularly bad commit)
* sometimes it's a rebase -p (because there's an explicit merge of a
different branch that I want to keep)
* sometimes it's a reset --hard (my changes were made obsolete by a
different upstream change)
* sometimes it's a merge
* sometimes I do nothing. This is a fairly regular pattern: I'm in
the middle of working on something that I know will conflict with
some changes that were just pushed upstream, and I want to finish
my changes before starting the rebase. My collaborator contacts me
and asks, "Would you take a look at the changes I just pushed?" If
I type 'git pull' out of habit to get the commits, then I'll make a
mess of my work-in-progress work tree. If I type 'git up' out of
habit, then the merge --ff-only will fail as expected and I can
quickly review the commits without messing with my work tree or
HEAD.
Even if I always rebase or always merge, I want to briefly review what
changed in the remote branch *before* I start the rebase. This helps me
understand the conflicts I might encounter.
Thus, ff-only always works for me. I might have to type a second merge
or rebase command, but that's OK -- it gives me an opportunity to think
about what I want first. Non-ff merges are rare enough that the
interruption isn't annoying at all.
> In a single project, would you
> choose to sometimes rebase and sometimes merge, and if so, what is
> the choice depend on? "When I am on these selected branches, I want
> to merge, but on other branches I want to rebase?"
My choice depends on the circumstances of the divergence. It's never as
simple as branch X always has this policy while branch Y has that policy.
> Are there cases where you do not want to either rebase nor merge?
> If so what do you want to do after "git pull" fetches from the other
> side? Nothing?
>
> Side note: a knee-jerk response to a "yes" answer to the
> last question from me has always been "then why are you
> running 'git pull' in the first place.
Habit/muscle memory/I'm tired and not thinking 100% clearly.
-Richard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-09-05 15:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-31 22:38 [PATCH 0/3] Reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] merge: simplify ff-only option Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 2/3] t: replace pulls with merges Felipe Contreras
2013-08-31 22:38 ` [PATCH 3/3] pull: reject non-ff pulls by default Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 17:21 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reject " Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 21:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-03 22:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-03 22:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 8:10 ` John Keeping
2013-09-04 9:25 ` Jeff King
2013-09-04 10:16 ` John Keeping
2013-09-08 2:52 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 4:18 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 4:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 4:43 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 5:09 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 5:21 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 6:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 6:54 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 7:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 7:50 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 8:43 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 20:17 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 22:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:03 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:04 ` Jeff King
2013-09-08 17:26 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-08 22:38 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:01 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09 0:29 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-09 0:38 ` brian m. carlson
2013-09-09 7:18 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 18:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 19:52 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 20:24 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:44 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:10 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 21:48 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-09 20:50 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-09 20:53 ` Jeff King
2013-09-09 21:34 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-09 23:02 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10 8:08 ` John Keeping
2013-09-09 20:47 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-10 21:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-09 23:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-10 8:26 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-11 10:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-11 11:38 ` Matthieu Moy
2013-09-13 0:55 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-04 16:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-04 22:08 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-04 22:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 8:06 ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 19:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 19:26 ` John Keeping
2013-09-06 21:41 ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-09-06 22:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-07 11:07 ` John Keeping
2013-09-08 2:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 2:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 8:01 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 8:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 8:42 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 8:49 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 10:02 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 10:39 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 11:01 ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 11:38 ` John Keeping
2013-09-05 12:37 ` John Szakmeister
2013-09-05 15:20 ` Richard Hansen [this message]
2013-09-05 21:30 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-05 23:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-05 23:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 2:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 6:17 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 18:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-09-08 20:05 ` Richard Hansen
2013-09-08 22:46 ` Philip Oakley
2013-09-08 22:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-09-08 23:11 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-05 13:31 ` Greg Troxel
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=5228A14B.3000804@bbn.com \
--to=rhansen@bbn.com \
--cc=a.krey@gmx.de \
--cc=felipe.contreras@gmail.com \
--cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=gitster@pobox.com \
--cc=john@keeping.me.uk \
--cc=philipoakley@iee.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).