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From: Jeremy Morton <admin@game-point.net>
To: Johan Herland <johan@herland.net>
Cc: Git mailing list <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Recording the current branch on each commit?
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 18:38:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <535D4085.4040707@game-point.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALKQrgfmBByMwMhxu3HkJqJGWy2Rwvij6Hi1_4npjfsxcSgpaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 27/04/2014 10:09, Johan Herland wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:56 AM, Jeremy Morton<admin@game-point.net>  wrote:
>> Currently, git records a checksum, author, commit date/time, and commit
>> message with every commit (as get be seen from 'git log').  I think it would
>> be useful if, along with the Author and Date, git recorded the name of the
>> current branch on each commit.
>
> This has been discussed multiple times in the past. One example here:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/229422
>
> I believe the current conclusion (if any) is that encoding such
> information as a _structural_ part of the commit object is not useful.
> See the old thread(s) for the actual pro/con arguments.

As far as I can tell from that discussion, the general opposition to 
encoding the branch name as a structural part of the commit object is 
that, for some people's workflows, it would be unhelpful and/or 
misleading.  Well fair enough then - why don't we make it a setting that 
is off by default, and can easily be switched on?  That way the people 
for whom tagging the branch name would be useful have a very easy way to 
switch it on.  I know that for the workflows I personally have used in 
the past, such tagging would be very useful.  Quite often I have been 
looking through the Git log and wondered what feature a commit was "part 
of", because I have feature branches.  Just knowing that branch name 
would be really useful, but the branch has since been deleted... and in 
the case of a ff-merge (which I thought was recommended in Git if 
possible), the branch name is completely gone.

> That said, you are of course free to add this information to your own
> commit messages, by appending something like "Made-on-branch: frotz".
> In a company setting, you can even create a commit message template or
> (prepare-)commit-msg hook to have this line created automatically for
> you and your co-workers. You could even append such information
> retroactively to existing commits with "git notes". There is also the
> current interpret-trailers effort by Christian Couder [1] that should
> be useful in creating and managing such lines.
>
> [1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/245874

Well I guess that's another way of doing it.  So, why aren't Author and 
Date trailers?  They don't seem any more fundamental to me than branch 
name.  I mean the only checkin information you really *need* is the 
checksum, and commit's parents.  The Author and Date are just extra 
pieces of information you might find useful sometimes, right?  A bit 
like some people might find branch checkin name useful sometimes...?

>> The branch name can provide useful
>> contextual information.  For instance, let's say I'm developing a suite of
>> games.  If the commit message says "Added basic options dialog", it might be
>> useful to see that the branch name is "pacman-minigame" indicating that the
>> commit pertains to the options dialog in the Pacman minigame.
>
> In that partcular case, ISTM that the context ("pacman-minigame")
> would actually be better preserved elsewhere. E.g. the commits touch
> files in a particular "minigames/pacman" subdir, or you prefix the
> context in the commit message ("pacman-minigame: Added basic options
> dialog"). Also, such a "topic" branch is often tied to a specific

Again, this is a pain because you have to remember to manually tag every 
commit message with "pacman-minigame", and it takes up precious space in 
the (already short) commit message.

> issue in some bug/issue tracker, and it would in any case be natural
> to mention the bug/issue ID in the commit message, at which point the
> tracker can provide more context and discussion.

I think it would only be natural to mention the bug# in the final commit 
that actually fixes the bug or implements the feature, not the checkins 
leading up to that.  And, it's still not *guaranteed* that the coder 
will remember to put the bug# in even that commit message.

>> Basically,
>> I'm saying that well-named branches can and do carry useful contextual
>> information that oughtn't to be thrown away.  Currently, when you delete
>> that branch, you lose the branch name altogether.
>
> Some would argue that branches are not always well-named... But

But when they are, why should that info be thrown away?  When they're 
not well-named, they can be ignored (or the branch name recording 
feature can be turned off!)

> anyway, if the branch ends up getting merged to the mainline, the
> merge commit defaults to a message like "Merge branch
> 'pacman-minigame'".

Only if it's a non-ff merge, which results in less tidy commit trees, 
and hence is often recommended against.  Whatsmore, tracking down which 
branch a commit pertains to is still rather difficult using this 
approach.  You can go back through the history and find "Merge branch 
'pacman-minigame'", but how do you know which commit was the *start* of 
that branch, if they are not tagged with the branch name?

-- 
Best regards,
Jeremy Morton (Jez)

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-27 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-26 23:56 Recording the current branch on each commit? Jeremy Morton
2014-04-27  8:51 ` Robin Rosenberg
2014-04-27 17:27   ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-27 21:40     ` James Denholm
2014-04-27 22:12       ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-27 22:31         ` James Denholm
2014-04-28  8:32     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28  8:49       ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28  9:02         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28  9:10           ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28  9:23             ` David Kastrup
2014-04-29 21:58               ` David Lang
2014-04-28 17:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-27  9:09 ` Johan Herland
2014-04-27 17:38   ` Jeremy Morton [this message]
2014-04-27 19:33     ` Johan Herland
2014-04-27 20:55       ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-27 23:39         ` Johan Herland
2014-04-28  6:45           ` Christian Couder
2014-04-28  9:01             ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28  9:09               ` Johan Herland
2014-04-28  9:16                 ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-29 22:14                   ` David Lang
2014-04-28  9:01         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28  9:17           ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28  9:17             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28  9:35               ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28 17:10                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28  9:39           ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28 17:22             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28 23:03               ` James Denholm
2014-04-28 23:09                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28 23:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-28 23:50                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29  0:10                       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-29  0:59                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29  1:29                   ` James Denholm
2014-04-29  3:32                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29  6:53                       ` James Denholm
2014-04-29  8:28                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29  9:00                           ` David Kastrup
2014-04-29  9:25                             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29  9:47                               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-29  9:54                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 10:14                                   ` David Kastrup
2014-04-29 10:17                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 10:37                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-04-29 11:46                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 10:59                                       ` James Denholm
2014-04-29 11:47                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 12:25                                           ` James Denholm
2014-04-29 13:31                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 21:04                                               ` James Denholm
2014-04-29 21:45                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-29 22:25                                                   ` James Denholm
2014-04-29 23:05                                                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30  0:22                                                       ` James Denholm
2014-04-30  0:44                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30  1:11                                                           ` James Denholm
2014-04-29 21:48                                       ` Piotr Krukowiecki
2014-04-29  8:34                       ` Robin Rosenberg
2014-04-28  2:30       ` Sitaram Chamarty
2014-04-28  8:52         ` Jeremy Morton
2014-04-28 10:03           ` Sitaram Chamarty
2014-04-28  6:07       ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28 10:03         ` Sitaram Chamarty
2014-04-28 16:38           ` Johan Herland
2014-04-28  8:57       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-28  8:50     ` Felipe Contreras
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-04-28  6:36 Max Kirillov
2014-04-28 18:15 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30  4:04   ` Max Kirillov
2014-04-28  6:42 Max Kirillov

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