From: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Marat Radchenko <marat@slonopotamus.org>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Pull is Evil
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:06:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <536173F5.7010905@xiplink.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5361598f8eaf7_4781124b2f02b@nysa.notmuch>
On 14-04-30 04:14 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Marc Branchaud wrote:
>> All that said, I don't object to any attempts at improving the command
>> either. But I also don't see any kind of improvement that would lead
>> me to start using "git pull" let alone recommending it to new users.
>
> What is wrong when `git pull` merges a fast-forward?
Nothing. Everything. It depends.
> The problems with `git pull` come when you can't do a fast-forward merge, right?
Some of them, maybe most of them.
But the reason "git pull" is broken is that any solution to the problems that
arise depend on the project's workflow. That would be fine if there was a
workflow that suited some large majority of users, but there doesn't seem to
be one.
<aside>
I dug up the workflows question from the 2012 user survey[1], but it's less
revealing than one might like:
19. What git workflow(s) is used by projects in which development you
participate?
single developer, only private repository (no interaction) 67%
centralized workflow (push to common repository) 69%
branched centralized (push to different branches in common repository) 50%
peer-to-peer workflow (all repositories roughly equal) 9%
integration-manager workflow (maintainer pulls/applies patches to "blessed"
repository)) 19%
dictator and lieutenants workflow (hierarchical workflow) 5%
using collaborative code review tool, e.g. Gerrit 13%
other workflow, please explain 2%
Total respondents 4352
Respondents who skipped this question 135
(IIRC, this was a "check all that apply" question.)
I don't think this lets us conclude anything about the popularity of merging
or rebasing, even though many respondents use a centralized workflow. I use
a centralized workflow, and I will sometimes merge and sometimes rebase. It
depends on the work I'm doing.
</aside>
M.
[1] https://www.survs.com/results/QPESOB10/ME8UTHXM4M
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-30 22:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-28 6:29 A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Marat Radchenko
2014-04-28 18:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 14:21 ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 14:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:45 ` Pull is Evil Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 20:01 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-30 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 21:48 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-02 7:40 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02 8:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03 6:17 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-03 6:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-30 20:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 22:06 ` Marc Branchaud [this message]
2014-04-30 22:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 9:46 ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 10:48 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 19:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:48 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:07 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 23:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 0:02 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 0:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 1:10 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 1:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 14:54 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 18:55 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:07 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 19:10 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 19:13 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:46 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 20:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 21:13 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 21:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:01 ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil) W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 22:20 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03 0:05 ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' W. Trevor King
2014-05-03 9:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 18:51 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-04 20:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:20 ` Re: Pull is Evil Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:20 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 17:56 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 18:04 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 18:30 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:21 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 23:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 7:16 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02 8:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 19:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 23:45 ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 23:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:43 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 19:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 21:06 ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 21:16 ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 23:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:59 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 0:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:47 ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 17:09 ` Pull is Evil Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 18:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 20:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:12 ` A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Stepan Kasal
2014-04-30 17:15 ` Geert Bosch
2014-05-04 8:58 ` John Szakmeister
2014-05-02 20:56 ` Max Kirillov
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=536173F5.7010905@xiplink.com \
--to=marcnarc@xiplink.com \
--cc=felipe.contreras@gmail.com \
--cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=gitster@pobox.com \
--cc=marat@slonopotamus.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).