From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Felipe Contreras Subject: Re: Should git-remote-hg/bzr be part of the core? Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:48:45 -0500 Message-ID: <5370c32d7ffc7_168f13a72fc6b@nysa.notmuch> References: <537008f06ceb8_8e47492f89f@nysa.notmuch> <53709788.2050201@alum.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Felipe Contreras , Git Mailing List , git-fc@googlegroups.com, Richard Hansen , =?UTF-8?B?VG9yc3RlbiBCw7ZnZXJzaGF1c2Vu?= , Antoine Pelisse , Christophe Simonis , Dusty Phillips , Jeff King , John Keeping To: Paolo Ciarrocchi , Michael Haggerty X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Mon May 12 14:59:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WjppZ-0002m5-6O for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2014 14:59:45 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758228AbaELM7l (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 May 2014 08:59:41 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:63761 "EHLO mail-ob0-f173.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756172AbaELM7k (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 May 2014 08:59:40 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wm4so8130145obc.32 for ; Mon, 12 May 2014 05:59:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dGFktKtOvoMspSwjEkn3/hDSj4jAV/oKgMyQ56bzcUk=; b=CKJELRbyriJ1X7MLlaBrHI35mmlbSqUVl0ml94f4+8RpO5953U+T0klhaAqDiO6dxx 99EIdf/7H+K/lgDml1Ji4FmRkgYlLbr13WoczxN4ZblwdXYoZjydny8AOJXkAYxuBGGR cLMgaQ9Xeh3HC+zzkNkXVbnG5Dkr0nzc1knaTGp5J4G47ELn7f4LYCp4nsFcRkLbt/bj Gt2UowjrwdOVR4D1mBf8RY9erzKd5axT+DL2kdTOvmwK327nzUeWkBhSJX8tFiqudL34 mwCyu7+vzy8pZoaQtK8tW688Z0LX5f3qTA6i91GTV2vZ26XDx4QssKn9HCBN11auNB2h JG5w== X-Received: by 10.60.155.33 with SMTP id vt1mr15522216oeb.3.1399899580393; Mon, 12 May 2014 05:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (189-211-224-40.static.axtel.net. [189.211.224.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e16sm20139322obs.26.2014.05.12.05.59.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 May 2014 05:59:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote: > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Michael Haggerty wrote: > > > Felipe, you seem to have so much potential. If you would put as > > much effort in conducting social interactions as you do in coding, > > the whole balance would change entirely, and any software project > > would be happy to have you. With all my heart I truly wish you the > > best in your future endeavors. > > I really *love* this paragraph. Felipe, you are a brilliant developer > and you put a lot of work trying to improve GIT. Thanks. > While I agree with you the this project is managed in a bit conservative > way Only a bit? I don't think I've been involed in a more conservative open source project. > you should really improve how you communicate with other developers, > it's such a pity your contributions are some times not included in > git.git just because of your attitude. But that's a theory. You don't *know* that they would have been included had I used a different attitude. In fact, people have contacted me privately saying similar things, and I'll give you the same challenge I gave them. If you think a different attitude would get my patches in, how about *you* write the commit messages and the discussions for one of my stuck patch series. I'll send the mails as if I had written the content. If you are right, the different attitude would make the patches land in no time. I still think it's not right for patches to be rejected simply because of attitude, but I would accept you were right. But I think you already know that won't happen, the patches still won't get in, not because of the attitude, but because of what they are trying to do: change things. So if I *know* certain feature would be useful for Git users, I've listened to all the comments, and addressed all the problems, why would I give up on those patches? Why would I work on something more boring that won't benefit users as much but would have higher chances of getting in? I'm doing this on my own free time, I can choose to do whatever I want, in whatever way I want, so no, I'll keep working on what I think is important. If you really think the patches can be accepted with a different attitude, by all means, let's do the experiment and find out. -- Felipe Contreras