From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael J Gruber Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:52:06 +0100 Message-ID: <54F986D6.5000607@drmicha.warpmail.net> References: <20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jeff King , git , git@sfconservancy.org To: Junio C Hamano , Christian Couder X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Fri Mar 06 11:52:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YTprt-00038h-Gh for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:52:33 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753303AbbCFKw2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:52:28 -0500 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:53378 "EHLO out2-smtp.messagingengine.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S934292AbbCFKwK (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:52:10 -0500 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03833207AF for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 06 Mar 2015 05:52:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:message-id:date:from :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=atweqqXIQyIpDYll3U6s2S aksXg=; b=uMvJF8SYR6yJB3bsEbY5T9jHyWtBkojS0VVh6F9gWELfyAeGKPehV5 ZANL3S2pEzhgR7i/sunlOpYnJxuzm2C+1lwr5WwI1gNN5IjWsqjevogqeCKaMp0i 90E5hkutfu3TPQZDlwdvDW29DjWNAyl0OdzckpIM/tvUJnG3yV/Do= X-Sasl-enc: Fyocd5AjU7Yx0uHM69WfiNIAikroAMcTcE6u81SxoOMA 1425639128 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [130.75.46.56]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C9F8C6800F3; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 05:52:07 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 05.03.2015 23:24: > Christian Couder writes: > >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote: >>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more >>> details have been posted at: >>> >>> http://git-merge.com/ >>> >>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to >>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space >>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and >>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to: >>> >>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person >>> ... >>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In >>> ... >>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly >>> who is organizing the event. If you would like >>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the >>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help. >> >> I'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back >> the travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come. >> For example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back: >> >> - all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask, >> - half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers >> who come and ask, >> - all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who >> come and ask, >> >> I think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like >> enough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC >> money. What do you think? > > I personally perfer things to be kept informal---it would keep > things simpler for everybody. You do not have to wonder what you > should do when you think you are among the five most important > people and you also know your employer will pay for the conference > if you asked, for example. > > It feels to me that the suggestion Peff gave in his announce to ask > privately for case-by-case arrangement strikes the balance much > better. > >> Apart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some >> developers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare >> room. >> >> So please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come. > > These five lines, by not explicitly saying something like "the first > 2 people who ask can crash in Christian's spare bedroom", is doing > exactly the same thing as Peff did by saying "please talk to me > off-list", it seems to me at least. Both keep things informal and > simple, and both arrange things on case-by-case basis as needed. > > And I think that is better than setting a seemingly hard rules > upfront, and causing more problems unnecessarily (e.g. who decides > who are the 5 most important, for example?). Oh yes, that would be an interesting metric to define... OTOH I can see where Christian's question is coming from: Who is even supposed to ask for support? Not just as in "who is a developer", but also "what are finance hardships": At scientific conferences which I'm going to, there is often "support for those who need it", and that typically means participants from "less fortunate countries" (to avoid the usual world-counting term). Everyone else is expected to be covered by their academic employer - and if not, it's not even okay to ask the organisers. I guess that's what some of us are having in mind. That still leaves the question: Is there any space left in Christian's spare bedroom? :) Michael