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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: avoid using the gender of other people
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:30:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60c8d5c39ef39_1296f20847@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94848796-1a7f-e1d2-fcf7-5e6f5f361f2a@gmail.com>

Derrick Stolee wrote:
> On 6/11/2021 4:28 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Some people have a problem with using a female reviewer or a female
> > developer as an example, and since this is an irrelevant detail, let's
> > say goodbye to our illustrative female colleagues.
> 
> I find this message to be snarky and underhanded instead of
> actually describing the goals at hand.

But it is accurate.

I have no problem when I read a text that uses a female reviwer as an
illustration. Apparently you do, and presumably others.

> Citing the reason as stated is _not_ the purpose of these
> gender-neutral recommendations.

I believe the purpose is to tailor the wording to you.

> Instead, a message such as this could apply:
> 
>   Using gendered pronouns for an anonymous person applies a
>   gender where none is known, and further excludes readers
>   who do not use gendered pronouns.

It doesn't exclude the readers who do not use genedered pronouns.

Anna--a Finnish reader--may not use gendered pronouns herself, that
doesn't mean she automatically would have a problem when reading "she"
or "he", nor that she would feel excluded.


This patch is not for Anna--who has no problem reading an illustration
in English which uses a female colleague as illustration--this patch is
for you.

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-15 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-11 20:28 [PATCH 0/2] Avoid gender pronouns Felipe Contreras
2021-06-11 20:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: avoid using the gender of other people Felipe Contreras
2021-06-15 13:28   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-15 16:30     ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-06-11 20:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] comments: avoid using the gender of our users Felipe Contreras
2021-06-15 13:31   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-15 14:16     ` Paul Smith
2021-06-15 16:39       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-15 16:36     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-12  1:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] Avoid gender pronouns Bagas Sanjaya
2021-06-12  1:39   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-12 23:24 ` Robert Karszniewicz
2021-06-13  7:15 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-14  1:27   ` Junio C Hamano

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