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[187.188.155.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w200sm3784141oie.10.2021.06.15.09.31.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:30:59 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: Derrick Stolee , Felipe Contreras , git@vger.kernel.org Cc: =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= , Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee Message-ID: <60c8d5c39ef39_1296f20847@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: <94848796-1a7f-e1d2-fcf7-5e6f5f361f2a@gmail.com> References: <20210611202819.47077-1-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <20210611202819.47077-2-felipe.contreras@gmail.com> <94848796-1a7f-e1d2-fcf7-5e6f5f361f2a@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: avoid using the gender of other people Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Derrick Stolee wrote: > On 6/11/2021 4:28 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Some people have a problem with using a female reviewer or a female > > developer as an example, and since this is an irrelevant detail, let's > > say goodbye to our illustrative female colleagues. > > I find this message to be snarky and underhanded instead of > actually describing the goals at hand. But it is accurate. I have no problem when I read a text that uses a female reviwer as an illustration. Apparently you do, and presumably others. > Citing the reason as stated is _not_ the purpose of these > gender-neutral recommendations. I believe the purpose is to tailor the wording to you. > Instead, a message such as this could apply: > > Using gendered pronouns for an anonymous person applies a > gender where none is known, and further excludes readers > who do not use gendered pronouns. It doesn't exclude the readers who do not use genedered pronouns. Anna--a Finnish reader--may not use gendered pronouns herself, that doesn't mean she automatically would have a problem when reading "she" or "he", nor that she would feel excluded. This patch is not for Anna--who has no problem reading an illustration in English which uses a female colleague as illustration--this patch is for you. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras